Steve Gleiber's Arsenal Supporters Forum

Long Time Gooner
April 27, 2005

Warrior. Any chance of removing the very offensive message just posted by ivica kurtovich

Parkerknoll Gooner
April 27, 2005

Warrior - sorry for the multiple posts. I just tried to access site via my last successful visit in the history folder and I got a "connection failure" message when in fact I was still connected. I'll try again in the morning and see if there's any change, if not I'll wait until I'm in the office and catch up then.

Parkerknoll Gooner
April 27, 2005

Wirral - give it a fair go and I'm sure it will grow on you. Having said that I cannot access it from home at the moment although Sunday I got on no problem. Where's the fearsome "warrior" when you need him?

Parkerknoll Gooner
April 27, 2005

Oh dear, seems I can't get past the bludger on the door. Using my darling little imac at home and it just will not access the site, complete white out. Could it be the feeble dial up server cannot handle all the fancy gizmos, buttons, zips and velcro?

Wirral Gooner
April 27, 2005

Please do not let this forum die. It is so simple and direct to use. that is its beauty. basic simplicity. anyway cannot make the other one work. when i get on cannot find the forum

Warrior
April 27, 2005

Hi David - Try the hints I added above - No one should have any problems accessing it now - Regards - Rog ...

david.d
April 27, 2005

hi warrior - i have registered as a user on the new forum at work this afternoon and have now come home to try and log in on my pc but it kept asking for my log in details. any reason why? when it finally did let me in it wouldnt let me view the shout box....but it let me view the forum....any ideas?

Warrior
April 27, 2005

Hahahaha

DHD
April 27, 2005

It all seems so quiet and sensible here after the mad shouty room over the way. Highbury Library?

Vicky C. Crescit
April 27, 2005

Just as I was beginning to get used to the idea that Edu will leave us in the summer, he turns in a superb performance. OK He was only on the field for 20 minutes or so last night but he looked real class and made a big difference in the way the game was going. It'll be a shame if he leaves!

Vicky Crescit
April 27, 2005

If you blow the new stadium pictures up to full-screen size, they look really fantastic.

Alex
April 27, 2005

Laarsen's signed a 'proper' 2 year contract. I told you there's something about him. He may have a big future at Highbury yet. Also, don't care whether Reyes scored or not. He spent the rest of the game missing chances and giving the ball away. If he sorts his attitude out in a big way then maybe I'll come around, but I'd much prefer to see Aliadiere or Quincy (anyone know what happened?) get the chance.

US Martin
The Future's Bright It's Red-and-White
April 27, 2005

I think if Reyes stays and while I'd be fine if he didn't as opposed to other veteran and younger players, if he's got his attitude right I like the lad and his skills certainly. But his future in this team is behind Henry wide on the left. It is no coincidence that his best form this year came out wide with Henry up-front - indeed they worked quite well together and made several excellent goals for one another in August and September. He can also cover for Henry up-front when injury or fixture congestion threaten and Pires can come on as a super-sub or play on the left when Reyes moves up or play on the right with Reyes left. This way with Freddie and Bentley also available wide right(and left in Freddie's case)add one more Power striker (strong in the air and on his own in the box) and we have tremendous variety and depth both up-front and out wide without going cash-crazy and since we won't need to do so at the back(unless Cole leaves really) we are in really pretty solid shape if we stay healthy and if we COULD get Edu to stay we'd be close to a complete team by simply adding some variety at the front, and maybe a mid-field safety man and a centre-half in case Sol is still hurting or just unhappy not always being first choice...

Warrior
April 27, 2005

Harlow wrote "Also, why do you have to go through two links to get to the posts..." - Hi - This was actually just a test forum for people to check out - then people started joining it as members, then people started posting stuff, then people started chatting ...... - in the end, old links can be redirected to the site - We have ensured that the amount of 'clicks' to get to read stuff or post a message is exactly the same - it's actually faster to post something now - you just use CTRL-S to send a message - and no one need ever register for anything - Rog ..

Niall
April 27, 2005

30 posts a page sounds ideal to me tbh. Good points on the loading times to embellish that, any more and we would choke would seem to be the answer there and no one wants to be sitting for 5-10 mins waiting on the page downloading.

Warrior
April 27, 2005

Niall - The post length is set at 30 and the pages are at 280k each already (that's the text only) - your call ... But remember - Dial up = 8 mins per meg - flooded dialup congestion can choke the server. Include graphics and it gets even slower - :-( Rog ..

Warrior
April 27, 2005

Niall wrote " No Harlow, it just sits there, I don't even know how it works. " ** - It is to show how many warnings that user has had about being naughty - it will likely never see any use as no one is ever naughty in here now, are they ?

Warrior
April 27, 2005

Niall wrote: " ...could we make him (Daz) wear a dunces hat and sit in the corner when he's naughty? ;)" - *** - as soon as I'm done with that corner ... else, I'll see him there ...

Niall
April 27, 2005

Rog, the impression I am getting from reading everyone's opinions is that the most popular system would be to A: try and get as many posts into one page as is technically possible and B: to do whatever you can to limit the effect of the buttons between the postings. I don't think anyone could argue with that - the proviso being for those suggesting the ideas is - if it is technically possible. I know you're on this but I'm just helping to illustrate to everyone that all their thoughts are being listened to. Have you any thoughts on Juliano's suggestion on moving the buttons to the side?

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Chocolate wrote: "... the idea of a single long page seems to me to have lot recommend ..." - Ah - But chocolate - every few days - for the past nearly 8 years - EVERYTHING always gets deleted - Full stop - there is no method of archiving anything with the old forum - it is always lost after less than a week - else the page gets too long and too slow to load - editing the posts is actually quite difficult and requires Ftp'ing into the server , editing, then ensuring no posts are added - then reuploading - every few days - also, if no one 'checks' it, anyone can run rampant and say or do what they like with impunity as there is no Steve to check on would be hooligans. We are looking at making the buttons a bit smaller and less obtrusive and also making the text a bit larger (currently, it's the same size, but anyway ...) to make it even more similar to Steve's old forum - We only want to encourage what Steve wanted and was trying to achieve - People posting, people reading, people thinking - Arsenal people - if you have any suggestions as to how to make anything better, please let us know - I,mpossible as it sounds, we are going to try and accomodate everyone - a voting system is in place to see what people want as well as a chatting system. After the forum is updated and in place, I will continue work on Steves main page again - to restore it back to it's former glory and make it the way it was. Ironically, what most likely attracted all the current forumites to his page in the first place. - Rog ..

chocolate gooner
April 26, 2005

Rog… I really don’t disagree with anything you said in your post. My moan, if you please, is that some of the basic elements of the old site, which helped give it its unique ‘character’, seem to be being discarded. As Juliano suggested it would be nice if the posts are separated from each other by a simple white line, as at present… it just makes the flow of the forum easy to follow and read. Also the idea of a single long page seems to me to have lot recommend it. I’m not going to make a song and dance about any of these things but I feel that these elements helped give the forum not only its character but also its ‘personality’. If there are technical reasons why it can’t be done.. fair enough. Cheers.

Harlow Steve
April 26, 2005

Cheers Niall...

Harlow Steve
April 26, 2005

Looking Good - http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?article=272663

Niall
April 26, 2005

No Harlow, it just sits there, I don't even know how it works. If it is to have any use - it may be handy for future sign-ups to the site - the Tom Dean's etc..Atm, I haven't even looked to see how it works.

Harlow Steve
April 26, 2005

Niall... When posting yesterday, I had the warning boxes under my name, did I do something wrong...

Harlow Steve
April 26, 2005

Personally, I think the new forum is really good... Change... AG, new crest, new kits, new players, some people just do not like change... Well done lads, it took a bit of time browsing the site and getting used too, but I think I've mastered it... I like the idea you can see everyone who has registered, knowing how many Gooners are out there to discuss Arsenal with, also seeing who is online with you helps... This should stop posts from an alias (will it)... Like the Shout bit, good on matchdays... Only gripe so far though, it takes time to load the page and I have 1.5mb broadband... Also, why do you have to go through two links to get to the posts...

Niall
April 26, 2005

I have no problem with the warning system hitting the trash can either, although Rog, you are wrong, I am purely a fanatic and have my finger hovering over Daz's warning system atm - just cos it's Daz. Otherwise, could we make him wear a dunces hat and sit in the corner when he's naughty? ;)

Harlow Steve
April 26, 2005

Henry just about sums up this season... No Championship, apart from Chelsea being excetional this season, injuries and poor form in two parts this season did not help... Got ourself back on tarck, but too late... Cup final to look foirward too, but the best Henry reaching IWWW's total, goes out the window for this season, typical... Let's hope he makes the final and gets the total that day...

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Hi Daz - We hate the stupid warning system also - Apparently, it's hard coded and can't be removed - yet ... Maybe we could rename it to BullS**t detecter ? ;-)

Daz
April 26, 2005

Don't get me wrong, I approve of the no-swearing rule and I don't think you should use other people's handle. I have nothing but praise for what you guys are doing. I just don't like the warnings next to your name. It's like school. Also, I don't think this site was subject to so much abuse actually. And, chocolate, I suspect your real relief at decaf's departure has more to do with the fact that he exposed your biggest piece of charlatan behaviour - although being a person utterly lacking in self-awareness or charm you seem to think that's nothing to hang your head over and continue to administer your 'lectures'.

bj
April 26, 2005

What can i say, i dont know anything about soccer

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Bernard - Top right - click" My Controls" - lots of toys to play with in there - Rog ..

Bernard
April 26, 2005

Thanks Niall, that worked. But where is this control panel so I can avoid seeing those smilies and signatures?

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Chocolate / Daz: - *** - Hi - We get the question of why a new forum a lot - There is an FAQ about how this old page is becoming unsustainable and was subject to too much abuse - in the end though, the goal is to keep Steves page alive and well - update it as he planned on doing - maintain a supporters forum - create a memorial page for him - get a few kindly souls to help with any "moderation" of any forum that is or was in place ** (Moderation - there's that word again) - for those who honestly believe that there will be a pack of hounds trolling the posts itching to remove any non-Arsenal posts or are awaiting to use their "Power" to throw out people using the words hell or Damn, you are really sadly mistaken. Also, we are not looking at placing adverts all over the place as was also suggested - the people maintaining these pages are Steves closest friends who are doing all this for free - Rob K is a relative of Steves and is well in tune with what his families wishes are - Niall is an Arsenal fanatic who only wants to help in any way he can - We are all striving to accomodate everyone - and we are listening to EVERY comment made - the new forum (even though it was just in place as a test) is becoming very popular even as we speak - this old forum may appear to have numerous comments about access problems and that's why I am posting in here now - once people are in the new forum, they are posting in it - people on the old forum may be missing out. - And, the new forum has a good chat faciity on it which works excellent for live chats during games or anytime anyone wants to see who else is online in the forum - Steve used to call the games live just to help others who were out of touch with a games progress - because that's how much Arsenal meant to him. Any Arsenal Fans out there want to call games live like Steve used to do ? - Roger ...

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Yep - I'm on the cookie thingy now - I'm thankful that Dormouse is nice enough to help us here as he has an unusual browser which seems up for the task of cookie testing - Mmmmm - Cookies ...

Niall
April 26, 2005

You must enter a username and password to log in Bernard. At the minute you have to do this everytime I;m afraid butr I hear the guys are working on it (no pressure Rog/Rod ;). Make sure you can see your name at the bottom of the supporters forum and then you know you are in under your normal name and can post away.

Bernard
April 26, 2005

How do you stop getting your posts marked as from an unregistered user, as me and Cannon Balls are being categorised at present?

Niall
April 26, 2005

I take it you are referring to the quote facility? I think that's a superb addition and will make following debates easier.

phil
April 26, 2005

Niall, it's not that I see multiple thread discussions it's that the format is akin to other forums where new discussions start and have comments attached to them etc etc

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Mee - press shift refresh after clicking the link above - rebookmark the link above if you wish - Rog ...

Mee
April 26, 2005

Warrior: I can’t get onto the new site - has the address changed - iIjust list it as one of my favourites and go from there - what is the official address?

chocolate gooner
April 26, 2005

Bernard… there’s no ‘thing’ with Decaf. He took umbrage at Niall for having the temerity to remove one his posts. He is not banned, he’s not been excluded, he has chosen to exclude himself. It is a non-issue. Personally I believe he “left” because I’d decided to return some of the attention he usually lavishes on me and like the coward he is … he ran yelling SLANDER! at the top of his voice. He has form on this kind of thing. He once called me a bigot for refusing to agree with him; go figure… I think the guy is a fool… and I couldn’t care less whether he posts or not. Having said that I don’t think anyone should be banned… however in a free world people are perfectly entitled to exclude themselves and in Decaf’s case it is no great loss. I might very well be sounding ungenerous but that’s what I think. cheers.

Cannon Balls
April 26, 2005

The criticism from many including myself about Reyes was started by his or his agents attempts to engineer a move to the Perez Madrid pimps in the coming summer, and his apparent disinterest on the field.Henry was getting the blame for his poor form but it continued after he was injured so that is another oh those 'red herrings'. If Reyes continues to perform like last night and score goals kike that and show his commitment to the club then i and everyone else i would presume will be only too pleased to see him in the side.

chocolate gooner
April 26, 2005

Thanks for your answers Rog, they’re much appreciated. Do we really have to have different pages? Like I said I don’t understand the practicalities of what you guys are trying to do but I quite liked the fact that all the comments are on the one page on here. I think that the single page is really a fundamental quality of this site and it will be a shame if it was lost. Cheers

Bernard
April 26, 2005

Daz, I've missed this with Decaf - has he gone then, and if so, why?

Daz
April 26, 2005

Couldn't see the Reyes post coming, chocolate. Nobody said "he will never score again" though. You probably don't remember Charlie Nicholas. Point of information: I do think the forum belongs to me. And to everybody else who posts on it - even you, you creepy little slimeball. I just detest the idea of a warning system but some people love to be infantilised I guess. Bunyip: I'm not saying that there shouldn't be rules and I've given plenty of credit to those who do have the time to run the forum - I just dislike the idea of "warnings" and I have no idea what they will be administered for (given that the new forum automatically deletes swearing) or who by. I respect Niall and you guys who I don't know but I'm afraid I see Niall as possessing no more authority over me than anybody else who once posted on this site. If that's the way it's gonna be, that's the way it's gonna be but I don't have to pretend to like it and if it escalates (which I think is highly probable) people will stay away and it will lose any orginality or eccentricty that made it worthwile and will just become a home for geeks and anoraks. I think it's a shame that Niall says he doesn't care if decaf no longer posts - because you may not have liked his posts but he was fundamentally easy-going and I think he's a loss. That's life I suppose, inexplicably some people prefer the idiot cubed that is chocolate gooner.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Also chocolate - We are going to try and make : The buttons smaller but the same as what Steve had - And - the text maybe a shade larger so it looks easier to read and is more concentrated - Regards - Rog ..

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Eskimo - Did you press SHIFT Refresh on the ABOVE Url ? - Don't use an old bookmark - others are all in there now

chocolate gooner
April 26, 2005

Thanks Rog. It seems clear enough to me. Cheers.

Eskimo
April 26, 2005

Nope, not working for me at all now Rob K.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Chocolate wrote : " The point is that the regulation of the forum ...." -- *** --- ...will be the same - no bad language - that's it - Same as Steve did it. - Regards - Rog ...

Warrior
April 26, 2005

For those who said they couldn't access the new forum from their workplace, can they try it again now please ? - Thanx - Rog ..

Rob K
April 26, 2005

The new forum seems to be back up now. I had to hit shift-refresh to see it but now works perfectly.

Eskimo
April 26, 2005

Ah. Here's the thing. APPARENTLY, if Liverpool win the Champions League and the FA do the decent thing and let them attempt to defend their trophy, Liverpool will automatically qualify for the competition. If Chelsea win the league, they will qualify automatically too. That's two teams automatically qualifying already, which would mean the team that finishes second in the league will have to qualify pre-season for the Champions League anyway. Does that make sense? Thoughts..... (this is my third attempt to post this actually - Niall, Warrior and whoever, fix up!). PTBAG.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

The new forum is back online - if you are unable to 'see' it, try pressing shift refresh - EEG and others with Norton Internet Security - please try the new page again from the link above - Regards - Rog ..

chocolate gooner
April 26, 2005

Great result last night and even more importantly a great display by a side with some very young players in it. Senderos was outstanding once again and you do have to wonder at how Sol is ever going to get his place back. I can’t imagine that Sol is too pleased being sat on the bench and watching instead of playing but then again …I don’t see any other viable option, because the manager can’t really drop Kolo on present form. It will be interesting to watch how things develop with our CBs now that we’ve got 3 very good ones. I also think that we don’t need another CB brought in during the summer because Djourou is waiting in the wings and he might well be even more impressive than Senderos. What is also pleasing is that we looked threatening from set-pieces with Senderos flashing one particularly ferocious header just too high. Fabregas was fab, Vieira looks up for it once more - although one does agree that he should cut out the diving, everyone played well in my opinion. If I have anything to moan about it was 1) Lehmann getting involved with Defoe. These silly scraps that the guy gets into are so damned unnecessary and only make opposing teams target him and 2) Lauren’s elbow thingy. Again that was unnecessary and it looked nasty, also I have to say that if it had happened to one of our players we won’t be too happy about it. I hope Ralph didn’t mean to elbow the guy in the neck. I have make a special mention of Edu, the way he came on and immediately picked up the pace was very impressive indeed, which makes it so sad that the guy is leaving. Having said that I don’t think that he is worth breaking our pay structure for. I hope those who were questioning the wisdom of persisting with Reyes got their answer last night. I thought he gave an outstanding performance and although he missed 2 relatively easy chances, he took his goal very well and the run he made to get into position for his first chance was very intelligent as were most of the runs he made all night. I think that he and Van P played well together. It just seems that the pool of talent at the club is getting deeper and better with every passing season and that is thanks to Wenger. On the new forum setup my comments concern two areas. (1) Forum Discipline and (2) the New Forum Design. On forum discipline; I will like to tell the new moderators not to be intimidated by the shrill noises coming from a few individuals who like to think that the forum belongs to them. Steve G’s rules were flexible but he also was clear that he didn’t like swearing and contrary to EEG’s bombastic bit of cobblers vis a vis Decaf’s deleted post… Steve G deleted one of my posts for using the same word that Decaf is meant to have used so Niall was right even going strictly by precedent. The point is that the regulation of the forum has to be light but in my opinion it should also be firm. For that to happen we do need clear boundaries that are off limits. SteveG had the natural authority that came from the fact that it was HIS forum, he is sadly no longer with us and as such I think that we need a set of agreed standards or else certain individuals will forever be challenging the authority of people who are chosen to take care of the forum on the basis that they’re NOT SteveG… That’s my tupenny worth. (2) On the forum design, without wanting to denigrate the effort that has gone into setting up the new site, I have to say that some of the features that made the original site unique may be being lost unwittingly. I’m not questioning the good intention behind some of the innovations but there seems to be a few too many buttons. The original site was interesting because it seemed to deliberately avoid some of the distracting Whizzbangery that you invariably find on most other sites… and the ability to scroll and read what everyone else had said on the various topics on the same sheet created a sense of continuity and community which seems to have been lost because we now have different pages. As a person with zero technical knowledge I have no idea how much of what is on the new forum is unavoidable… I just think that simplicity in design has a lot to recommend it. Any way let me say thank you to the guys for their work and I hope you take my comments in the spirit intended. Cheers all.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

New forum users - If you notice the new forum appears to have gone offline, please wait a few minutes and try again as it's port is being moved over - Do Not post here saying it isn't working as this is by design and is only for a few minutes. I will repost a message here when it is back up on the new port.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Hi David D - Ha - You beat me to it - I was just going to post this message right now - **** - "Hi All - In order to help EEG'r and a few others having difficulty with accessing the new forum, I will have to move it's port and thus the new forum will go offline for a few minutes. I will attempt to make the downtime a minimal time - Say about 10 mins or so."

david.d
April 26, 2005

warrior - i have scrolled down to earliar posts and tried the few links to get onto the new forum but keep getting the 'this page cannot be displayed' screen. any ideas how i can get onto the new forum and register?

Mee
April 26, 2005

Bernard - the Fabregas thing was just a ploy to make you use the new site! Look, this old site is brilliant, its quick and easy for people like us to negotiate, but it does have its drawbacks in security etc - so we will have to learn to love the new site - despite all its little boxes, bewildering array of things that I wouldn’t aim my cursor at, and the fact that it takes longer. I posted on the new site about Edu and agree with everything that’s been said here - we must hold on to him. I also thought Jens was really good - the save he made from Defoe was esecially good.

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

Cannon Balls. Fair point about the chavs. Take care with the point about them not beating us. We did win the league last season but not beat Manure - didn't make them better than us.

Cannon Balls
April 26, 2005

No,LTG the Chavs with Kenyons statement today about sustainability and Lampitards we can diominate for the next decade shows that they have assumed the Manc muppets mantle of arrogance. Seeing those Chav supporters on Sky in that bar in Fulham last night cheering on the Spuds to try and do what their team have not been able to do this season beat us,showed what a pathetic lot of glory hunters they are. No class..

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Hi Dhd - I might pass that one over to Niall if I could - Also - the 'new' forum will go offline for a few minutes later on - I'm going to move it's default port over to alleviate problems with business firewalls and Norton Internet Security - This should help EEG and a few others problems - Regards - Rog ..

DHD
April 26, 2005

Warrior - Rog - So when is this site to be replaced/closed down?

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

Weasel. A more realistic and possibly ultimately less painful perspective. After all we don't want to be up there with the arrogant we-have-a-divine-right-to-win Manure fans do we?

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

David D. I suspect that we are in agreement. Edu is a quality player and it would be great to keep him. I trust Arsene enough to think that would also be his opinion. If he can't keep him then it's down to something that we're not made aware of. Frustrating though. Mind you I grew up following Arsenal when all of our quality players disappeared. Started with the breakup of the 70/71 team (Kennedy, George) and continued with (worst of all) Liam Brady. Still happens now to some extent although we're quite good at getting players to come to us too with better credibility as a football power.

Bernard
April 26, 2005

david.d, there were rumours Edu was asking for £60k per week, which for someone who isn't a first choice in the first team is about as close to obscene as you can get, I'd suggest.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Hi Dhd - It's not 'broke' - but it is hard to maintain and it does require all the posts to be deleted every few days. Also, anyone can come in and post as anyone else or they can use bad language, etc. The new forum is virtually the same in functionality (despite what you may read in here) and has many more features of the 'old' forum - Regards - Rog ..

david.d
April 26, 2005

LTG - i agree that we should run our affairs well but i just cant believe that it makes financial sense to let a class player go on a free then fork out even more money on his replacement. wouldnt it be cheaper to pay him what he is asking. im sure phil is not the only guy on here who agrees with me. i honestly dont think he is asking for anything obscene.....can someone please tell me how to get onto the new forum(want to see what all the fuss is about though i think this forum is the best and if it aint broke why fix it)

WEASEL
intobs@icap.com.sg
April 26, 2005

longtime gooner i agree with you i just feel that we will be up with chelsea next year should be a closer affair

DHD
April 26, 2005

I've been away for a few days so this is the first visit for a while. Why is this forum to be replaced? Is it broke?

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Phil Wrote: "... the new site are bad, the text in blue on a green background is unreadable" - Phil - Where do you see blue text on a green background ?

Niall
April 26, 2005

I just replied to it Bernard.

Bernard
April 26, 2005

Rog, thanks - I tried doing my first post but couldn't see it. I'll have another look in a minute.

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

Weasel. it looks like we'll be competitive next season. So, at least, will Manure and Chelsea. Anyone who is 'sure' of anything in football is fooling themselves. i'm not even sure when we're 2-0 up with 5 minutes to play. But then I do remember the 1979 cup final.

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

Cannon Balls. Yes - Manure as well plus loads of others. It seems to me that the ridiculous money in the game,even for players who haven't yet made it, is creating a generation of footballers whom you'd cross the road to avoid. We have a recent example who has just gone to another Midlands club. More and more I find myself supporting the team but not the players. There are exceptions like DB, TH and going back NW, LD but they seem to be in a decreasing minority.

WEASEL
intobs@icap.com.sg
April 26, 2005

our future looks very bright indeed,with what Wenger is saying that he will bring in 2-3 new players in the age braket of 24-27 is very sensible..our side will be very balanced age wise...the man is a genius...i am sure we will be reclaimimg the title next season

Niall
April 26, 2005

Phil, what multiple thread discussions would those be? I don't see any, maybe cos there are none.

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

Phil. Now I'm really baffled by the technicalities of the new site. I see the text as white (not blue) on a green background.

Cannon Balls
April 26, 2005

LTG,look on the brightside it could be worse imagine if you supported Manure!!!

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

David D. I agree that Edu is quality but I would expect there to be a lot involved in contract negotiation that we're not privy to. You wouldn't want your financial affairs aired in public would you? I guess that Edu's demands would distort the famous wage structure and result in even more payments to other players.

Phil
April 26, 2005

David.d you stole my thunder on Edu - geez how much would he cost us if we were out looking and Wenger says he wants more 24-27 year olds - there is a Brazilian international who is a champion a winner and full of quality and class. I also thought Senderos is a better player at his age than Adams was, he made tackle after tackle and challenge after challenge that by the end he was winning headers unapposed because the spudz didn't want to go up for the ball when they knew he would be winning it and hurting them at the same time, I think the quality of our team play without Henry is better than with him, having said that when we are looking for a goal he is more often than not the source of supply and no person in their right mind would leave him out if he is fit, it is good to know that we have more than one way of skinning a cat and if things are not working out with him on the pitch as has happened frequently in Europe maybe the change to be made is to sub Henry and not his strike partner...Warrior - Norton Personal firewall enabled - site not loading, Norton Personal firewall disabled - site working... don't ask me to get any more technical than that! I agree with the others who think the simplicity of the original version of the forum is what has made it great - keep it's originality and just add in a registration and login/password feature to post... also the colour choices on the new site are bad, the text in blue on a green background is unreadable... the multiple thread discussions are a pain in the proverbial and all in all why tinker or change with what has generally been regarded by both Arsenal fans and opposition fans as the best forum on the net - check out the other clubs forums and you will see that the new forum is just a generic copy of the others.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Bernard - If you have already registered once, merely click login and enter in your username and password. - Regards - Rog ..

Bernard
April 26, 2005

Rog, sorry but I need clear advice on this. As you know I registered the other day from my home computer, but tried to from my work computer just then. It wouldn't let me because it said an account had already been opened with that user name (Bernard). Does that mean I have to use different user names when posting from different computers?

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

Sometimes it's really embarrassing to be an Arsenal fan and to be associated with some of the behaviour of our players. I see in the press today that Quincy Owusu-Abeyie was 'arrested following a brawl at the PFA Player awards in London'. Nice one!!!

david.d
April 26, 2005

how do i get onto this new site? ive tried and i keep getting the 'this page could not be displayed' screen. is this forum going to stay despite the new one?.....great result last night. well done reyes and van persie. god senderos is going to be a GIANT. good team display all round. we stay 4 pts clear of utd and put chelsea's celebrations on hold. i dont know about any of you but how how how can we comtemplate letting edu leave us. he just OOZES class and composure when he is on the ball and does the simple things well. why dont we just pay him the money that he wants. he will be a big big loss. to get this type of player on a free is a travesty. please arsenal have a rethink and keep him at highbury!!!

Cannon Balls
April 26, 2005

A small Piece of trivia in the Sun today about an event that occurred late last night after Arsenal v Spuds match : " By Fulham Broadway station one enterprising salesman was packing his supply of T-shirts and flags away proclaiming 'Chelsea Champions of 2004-5'." Never mind Peter you will get to sell them eventually..

Bernard
April 26, 2005

Mee, I had a quick look on the forum but couldn't find what it was you are talking about with Fabregas (presumably a rumour justifying your suspicion that he's desperate to join Barcelona soon).

Västerås Gooner
April 26, 2005

OMOH Thank you very much, thank you. I´ve become something of a ..well, member of the funny people brigade since sending your jokes around the office.

old man of hoy
April 26, 2005

Yes LTG - Paddy seems to have at least one lapse of concentration per match and also one moment when he gets dispossessed - something switches off in his football brain. Compare with Bob who rarely lapses. London sunny but rain to come - work calls again - i leave you with a fragrant joke. LAn old woman is going up in a lift in a very Iavish department store when a young, beautiful woman gets in, smelling of expensive scent. She turns to the old woman and says arrogantly: 'Romance by Ralph Lauren, £100 a bottle.' Then another young woman gets in the lift, She also turns to the old woman and says snootily: chanel No 5, £150 a bottle.' A few floors later, the old woman has reached her destination. As she gets out, she looks both woman in the eye, then turns round, bends over and farts, saying: 'broccoli, 25p a pound.'

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

Warrior. Copy/paste works with Wordpad but not with Word.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

NoPrisoners - just highlite the text you want with your mouse and then copy it into notepad or word - Rog ..

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Ray Parlour wrote "... is the option to register to the site, which itself is still a contentious issue" - Ray - No one ever needs to register for anything - Also, by design, the new forum has just as many 'clicks' to get to the posts and it is even easier to post a message to it (you merely need to press CTRL-S to send a message) - Registering prevents spoofing of peoples names - Rog

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Old man of hoy Wrote: "Well guys and gals it seems that 90% of the posts since i last mailed this afternoon are about setting up the forum! Perhaps there is a lively debate about tonights game on the other site? " - *** Yes - indeed - there was a live chat during the game also - most of the queries in this forum are on how to access the new forum from odd locations or with unusual software or firewalls - I will attempt to make a change to the new forum so that people can access it thru their work like they used to do - The live chat thing is great fun - Rog ..

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

RvP impresses me greatly. He is so clever, but in doing so is so effective. He gives the opposition real problems. If he can control his attitude then he'll be a real star. Which reminds me - our goalie's looking like a new player. If we'd signed him 10 games ago we'd be raving about him.

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

OMOH. You may be right in that Patrick was immense but his passing still scares the hell out of me. Still prone to a casual no-pressure pass to the opposition. I spotted three yesterday (anyone care to remember the 1999 SF pass to Giggs). If Cygan did that we'd all be moaning like hell.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Fred Wrote: "The only reason anyone would want to replace this site is for advertising reasons!" - Egads !! *** - Nothing could be further from the truth - There will NEVER ever ever be any 'for profit' adverts on Steves web site. - Ever - Period. - Rog

babu
April 26, 2005

Brilliant. Playing JAR in a strikers position with RvP seemed to work, at least he has a chance to run at players near the penalty area, thereby stopping them from just fouling him for fear of a penalty. Senderos was massive, so much better than the young TA, if he carries on like this, what with Cesc and the others, we should easily win the league next year. Chelski...? ... WHO !!!! Come On You Gooners !!

Maurice
April 26, 2005

Arsenal will be successful for a long long time if we could hold on to our young stars. The list is just so long now, and it is so encouraging. I hope very much that we hold on to them, for the future looks very bright. Perhaps a new GK and R/L midfielders are what we need for next season. Well done for the double over Spurs.

its only ray parlour
April 26, 2005

I agree that this board should remain largely as it is. The only possible plus of the other site is the option to register to the site, which itself is still a contentious issue. There really is little point to the format of the new board if you aren't going to allow topics. And nobody really wants that. The new messageboard is far too cluttered & reading the posts is quite a painful exercise at the moment. As i said on the other board you will have to change the background to a softer lighter colour if you are going to go down that route. Please keep this board as it is. You risk ruining what makes this board so special by playing about with it.

DUG
April 26, 2005

some assistance from Arsenal Plus subscriber/s on the forum please - Is there a digital replica (electronic edition)of the actual matchday home programme available online to Plus members. I imagine there is, so is it like a re-contented ebook or identical replica to the print copy? whats the image quality like and how good is the general experience? really appreciate any comments. cheers all and good on the lads last night - One-nil to the Arsenal! magic

Fred
April 26, 2005

Our first league double over Tottenham in 16 years! Good.

Fred
April 26, 2005

The only reason anyone would want to replace this site is for advertising reasons! I understand if this is the case as we all need money! but it's still quite sad. Leave this site alone please, if it must die run the two sites against each other see which site wins. Good win tonight, well done Jose!

3GS
April 26, 2005

Are TV commentators biased towards the big three? A general Spurs point of view is generally this-"TV Commentators sound like they are ----- when they talk about Arsenal ....they are so biased - it's poor that Sky allowed the summariser to be an ex-goon and allow one of the guests to be an ex-goon, without an ex-spur alongside him They always say 'THE Arsenal' - that really gets on my wick. This happens everywhere.....the worse ones are on itv sports....they dont give a balanced account because they are in love with certain teams." I must admit that I see their point of view to some extent but I think all fans fell their club gets the bums rush,especially the paranoid Gooners!!!!

GaryB
April 26, 2005

OMOH - I agree, except that Senderos is not young Adams. He's actually better than Tony was at his age. It's unbelievable that Wenger has managed to bring on both Senderos and Cesc in the same season. Outstanding!

old man of hoy
April 26, 2005

Well guys and gals it seems that 90% of the posts since i last mailed this afternoon are about setting up the forum! Perhaps there is a lively debate about tonights game on the other site? Anyway I thought it was a 1-0 walloping - we were so much better than Spurs that it is mad that they almost equalised. We were good all over the park and i thought Paddy was huge, as was Ralph, who i recently consigned to the knackers yard. First half Bob and Cesc were outstanding - some of the interplay was mesmerising. Senderos was a young Adams and tonight i saw why Le Boss bought Jose - the Spurs defence did not know how to handle his pace and seeing him cut through the middle was lovely. Fully deserved his standing ovation.

GaryB
April 26, 2005

Thoughts on the new forum - its too 'busy' and takes too many clicks to use. In technical terms the 'UI is somewhat counter-intuitive'. Other news - thank God for the result tonight. A Chelsea supporting cabbie who got me to the airport in record time to catch my flight home (only 15 minutes to departure and they still let me on!!!) made me promise to cheer when Chelsea win the Premiership. Fair play to him but I would have gagged tonight. Also, I know most of you dont read the rumours forum but last year I posted a note about my 2 and an half hour flight back from Euro 04 sitting next to the great Ian Wright who told me that Shaun would love to play for AFC above all others. I also emailed Myles Palmer at the time who didn't bother to reply. Now he's saying how he knows that SWP's heart belongs to Arsenal in the context of summer signings. I feel used.

Niall
April 26, 2005

NoPrisoners, I just tested that and I agree Word is useless as it will appear as a webpage, but if you do ctlr and A to highlight all and paste into notepad it will still appear in text format.

kevyg6
April 26, 2005

Noprisoners, that was how i managed to read it in work as well. Guess we'll have to come up with something else to get our fix during working hours.

Abraham Lincoln
April 26, 2005

What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the tried and tested, against the new and untried?

NoPrisoners
April 26, 2005

Thoughts on the new forum : The unique aspect of being able to copy postings, and paste it into microsoft word, and read to my hearts content, while my boss is looking over my shoulder will be removed, if the new format is adopted.

JoJo
April 26, 2005

Warrior, thanks...I have found the site. My opinion is that it is ok for computer freaks but far too time-consuming for brick-heads like me. I loved this site because of its format and kept coming back to it because it was not like the others which were carved up into a hundred boxes. Don`t make it too complicated. Keep the site structure simple.

Västerås Gooner
April 26, 2005

What a good game tonight. Senderos IS a future captain and as long as we keep clean sheets Sol should be out of the start-11. Can anyone help me with this one: what was that song at halftime, the "3 tenors version of Jose-Antonio"? Can one download the mp3 file somewhere?

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Jojo - The link is above - there is an FAQ on how it all works in there - you can post messages as a guest also - there is no need to login - Rog ..

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Waitr 2 seconds and press refresh - the chat window was flooded - Rog ...

JoJo
April 26, 2005

Please update me guys. What is all this talk about a new site? Where, who, how, why? I am sure many who come back after a few days will know nothing about it. Is it still the Gleiber family site? How and where is it?

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

Furtehr update. Just got in, logged in and then got page unavailable. Pretty but not too robust methinks. A bit like Pires in a tackle.

Long Time Gooner
April 26, 2005

Me too. I can't get into new site either. Keeps saying page unavailable.

Xav T
April 26, 2005

Warrior, you literally caught me on my way out! I now get the blank page with ‘The page cannot be displayed’ error message. Really going to Highbury, this time…

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Xav - try this link: http://202.181.21.81:8082/arsenal/index.php It's up and everyones in there

Xav T
April 26, 2005

Warrior, me again (sorry). I forgot to say I tried the http://www.fl.net.au/~steve/forum? address with the same result, unfortunately

Xav T
April 26, 2005

Warrior: Windows 2000 Professional (I'm at work) - Internet Explorer 6.0 - Going to the game, now. Will check again later, thanks

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Matthew - when you logged in sucessfully yesterday was it on that machine ? - Can you delete the cookies from your browser maybe ? - Empty your cache perhaps ?

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Xav T - What OS, browser etc are you using ? Can you try adding a question mark to the end of the url ?

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Phil - Does Norton firewall block access to port 8082 by default ?

Xav T
April 26, 2005

Warrior, Tried your Tracert: Unable to resolve target system name 202.181.21.81:8082 :-((

Phil
April 26, 2005

plus Norton personal firewall has to be turned off to access the content - not good at all...

Phil
April 26, 2005

oh dear - the new forum is just a generic colour coded copy of so many other web forums, the one cool thing about the old forum was that it was so different, I enjoy scrolling through endless debates on who is the best and pointless arguments searching for nuggetts and gems of wisdom and/or humour... this is nothing to do with not liking change but change for the sake of change is not always neccessary, it's not like the forum is a brand to sell or in need of keeping up with the times...

Matthew Wade
April 26, 2005

Warrior - no joy for me I'm afraid...I'll try the domestic machine when I get home.....but most of my usse for this site comes from work, so I hope its not a permanent problem for me....

Xav T
April 26, 2005

Warrior, each time I try to access the new forum, I get a blank page with the 'Action Canceled' message :-(

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Hi Matthew - there are 8 users on at the moment - is this the same machine you used in the past ? Press shift refresh to get to the page maybe ? Try adding a Question mark to the end of the url - then refresh the page - we have ample overhead to accomodate a lot of users plus a lot of bandwidth available - Can you login as a guest ? - if so, maybe message me a username and password and I can enter it in for you - shouldn't be necessary though

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Eeg - no run button = Admin restrictions - Politely ask the network guy there to open up port 8082 - it's a simple, normal request - your machine will have other restrictions on it also and that is why a few pages are unavailable to you. - In my opinion, 8082 is as safe as any other port but that is up to your network guy to decide as it is 'his baby' - I could move the port to a different place but it may also be that fact the page is framed or because some other restriction has been placed on your machines there. - Regards - Rog ...

Matthew Wade
April 26, 2005

now having issues with the new Forum........................"Internet Explorer was unable to link to the Web page you requested. The page might be temporarily unavailable." This is at work, where i am currently posting on this site...not had that problem before........... despite having registered and logged on yesterday

East End Gooner
April 26, 2005

Its Windows X3 Proffesional and after the Start button there is no "Run" probably because its all controlled from central command! Anyway, I will have to pick this up later as I have to give a talk now before running off to see the game. I will be back on Thursday to start again!

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Thanx James - It has been tested on Macs, Konquerer (Linux), Opera (Windows), Firefox, Mozilla (Win and Linux), and a few others - you are posting ok on the new forum - regards - Rog ...

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Eeg - I'm almost certain you will need 8082 opened on your firewall - but anyway - go to the start button - type in RUN - press enter - A small box appears - type in TRACERT 202.181.21.81:8082 - leaving a space between the 2 - what is the result ?

JamesLT
April 26, 2005

Thanks, WARRIOR, all seems to be working now...

East End Gooner
April 26, 2005

Niall - I dont have "Rub" after "Start". Warrior - I am on a Windows O/S using Explorer.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

James - log off - close your web browser - open it up - reload the main page - login again - is doesn't matter that you have a Mac - No emails are sent back for verification as we turned that off - as soon as you create an account, it is useable

Mee
April 26, 2005

JamesLT: I’m on a mac and it seems to wotk fine for me.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Eeg - what OS are you using ?

Niall
April 26, 2005

Press Start, click run and you should have a command line there. Type TRACERT 202.181.21.81:8082 and hit ok.

JamesLT
NEW FORUM QUERY
April 26, 2005

NIALL/WARRIOR: I have exactly the same problem as JULIANO. I registered at first with my usual "JamesLT" moniker and that was fine. Now though the site won't let me log-on and identifies me just as a guest not a member. I also sent a password request in case I'd messed up the password, but still haven't received email confirmation... Is the problem at my end or a glitch. I'm also always trying to log on with a Mac (either at work or home) not a PC - not sure if that affects anything...

Niall
April 26, 2005

On what the start/run? Or the restricted pages?

East End Gooner
April 26, 2005

Niall - which means?

Niall
April 26, 2005

Start/Run..type it in the box you numpty ;)

JamesLT
April 26, 2005

http://www.geoff-thomas.com/

Niall
April 26, 2005

On the restricted sites, do you recieve a "this site is restricted error message" when you hit them, cos the 504 error you are getting is the default IE server (remote) unavaliable error page?

East End Gooner
April 26, 2005

Warrior - Now you are getting a bit complicated for me. Where is the "command prompt"? I think I am in a "windows box" but who knows?

Mee
April 26, 2005

Bernard - have you heard the latest news on fabregas? You’ll have to log on to the new site to find out more . . .

East End Gooner
April 26, 2005

I get restricted from some sites but very few (seem to be random as they are not related to anything you would think you might be restricted from). I have tried a few times on the new one and it wont work.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

EEG - If you are on a windows box, go to the command prompt and type the following: TRACERT 202.181.21.81:8082 and see what the response is

Warrior
April 26, 2005

There are 9 users on right now - we had 18 users 12 mins ago - 8082 is merely a redirected port which has been well tested - does it work for you on any other machine ? Can you post a tracert to it maybe (from where you are)

Juliano
April 26, 2005

EEG-it could be a firewall problem indeed as the TCP port used by the new forum is 8082 instead of 80 for the common http protocol. I thought 8080 was commonly used as well, no idea about 8082.

Niall
April 26, 2005

Do you normally get a restricted site message on other web sites?

East End Gooner
April 26, 2005

Rog/Warrior - Do those messages mean the new site doesn't pass my firm's "firewall". If so, not sure there is a way around it for me. I am still resistant to having a PC at home.

Juliano
April 26, 2005

Warrior-I was able to register at first, but now when I try to do so it always sends me back to the first page and say I'm there as a guest. It won't take my username/password for some reason (though I checked "remember me"). I have sent a password reset request to check if the problem is there, waiting for the email. As for alternative browsers users, may I point out that the image at the top left of the new forum's main page, "Steve Gleiber's Home Page" with the cannon and the olde english Arsenal, is just above the yellow writings when using Firefox, the best browser on the planet. It looks as if it had been coded with Frontpage, I shall advice to use Mozilla's Composer which is more W3 compliant.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Nouveau Soccer - "the little picture whatsits on the left, " - ***** - Then don't use them if you don't understand them - ***** "the threat of having to register" *** - You never need to register - registering merely opens up more choices which you have indicated you might not be able to understand - ******* - **** "seem to run against the utter retro simplicity of this site." - Then bookmark the main forum page and read all the posts that way - Rog ..

Juliano
April 26, 2005

It's only the begining, I'm sure we'll get used to it in time, and that it will improve by the week if we are patient enough to let the tecchies put our wishes into code. I like the idea of a java applet chat room, that would be great fun indeed.

Warrior
April 26, 2005

EEG - there are 9 users on it right now - Have you _ever_ been able to log onto it ?

Nouveau Soccer
April 26, 2005

Rob, most of the changes - the little picture whatsits on the left, the threat of having to register, though I'm not sure for what, the plethora of choices - seem to run against the utter retro simplicity of this site. It seems to make an effort out of what hitherto has been effortless, which is dipping into the forum to see who's ranting about what at the time. I have to say, I didn't spend much time perusing Gleiber Mark II but first impressions weren't great. It's like stepping into your favorite one beer pub and finding it transformed into a winebar. I know it's not nice hearing negative criticism when you've put in a lot of hard work.

East End Gooner
April 26, 2005

Sorry - different message. This is what I am getting - "HTTP error 504 - 504 No response from server - Error connecting to '202.181.21.81'. If it aint broke......

Warrior
April 26, 2005

Thanx Bmurph - I noticed you had a look at the new forum and signed up - We are going to add a live chat thing later which can be good fun - it's like a massive MSN system and might make live matches interesting for those out of touch when the game is on - Rog ..

BMurph
April 26, 2005

Thank you Niall and Rog for your help. Keep up the good work. I'm sure Steve (RIP} would be proud of you.

East End Gooner
April 25, 2005

Just tried the new forum. I dont know but it just isn't the same. I cant quite put my finger on it. Er...its a long shot but maybe, just maybe, its that bit that says "Proxy Server Error - Access Denied". Dont remember that on the existing one!

Warrior
April 25, 2005

EEG - No worries - I have only removed posts that contained outright bad language - perhaps it was removed by Niall - not sure ...- I have no desire to police the site - I'll just remove bad language posts - the new forum will make it easier - Steves job was tricky but he was very good at staying on top of things - I knew Steve personally since the early 90's when he and I would stay up late and chat all night on the phone whilst doing our pages. Rog ..

East End Gooner
April 25, 2005

Warrior - Unfortunately, you have called my bluff in a way I cant respond at the moment. My secretary archives all my emails in a number of date files and, as I am off to Germany at 6.00 tomorrow and have loads to do in order to go to Highbury tonight I cant look through the files. Still, you can choose whether or not to believe me when I say that during one of my previous bans from Steve, I entered into a debate with him and he was clear about what was and wasn't allowed. Although the law might say one thing, he applied it with common sense. Suffice to say "b*ll*cks" or even "bollocks" and "w**k" are definitely permissible. The post that got deleted a couple of days ago spelled out the rules precisely. If they are to be changed then I suppose there is nothing anyone can do but it might not be quite as fun.

Rob K
rob.keve@gmail.com
April 25, 2005

EEG - Please remember that by volunteering to keep an eye on the forum, the moderators are enabling us to keep it running. For the avoidance of doubt, the rules arent contained in an email you have - the rules are however the moderator interpret them. Posters who arent abusive will never have problems. If you have an example of where you think the moderators were being too harsh send me a private email.

Rob K
April 25, 2005

Nouveau Soccer - Thank you for your constructive comments. I'm sure Rog the site designer will know exactly what to change as a result (if you do get past the stage of the Old guy on the balcony in the Muppet Show - I am sure they will be interested to hear your views on changes).

Nouveau Soccer
April 25, 2005

Just visited the new forum. Don't like it.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

EEG - Do you have a list of all the posts you feel have been removed in which you have used asterisks over ? - How many of your posts do you estimate have been culled that you have used asterisked out words ? (Approximately) - What part of the "Moderators" job do you think we are having difficulties grasping. You quote an email from Steve yet the only thing showing on Steves forum at the very top of the page is as follows: It's the first rule at the top and I quote it fully in it's unedited glory "No Swearing, or abusing others opinions (no matter how much you feel a comment may deserve it)." If you have an email from Steve that you would like to share with us contradicting what's on his forum pages, can you post it perhaps ? Maybe we would understand more.

kiwipete
April 25, 2005

oops sorry misread your number two as meaning two derivations of female ... oh never mind t..to... two many vodkas.. good night

kiwipete
April 25, 2005

EEG.. he also banned the common word for excrement

East End Gooner
April 25, 2005

Haven't read the whole lot but I see the new "moderators" have started to get over-zealous in the enforcement of the "rules" again. One big problem. They dont know what the "rules" are and it is not their place (and in fact a betrayal of the values Steve established) to set their own. I have an email fom Steve telling me clearly what swear-words are banned. Surprisingly there are only three and all their derivatives. First is a strong term for intercourse, number two is...er...a number two and the third is a descripition of the female anatomy (or Chocolate - depending on how you view these things). Thats it. And it is as clear as can be. A failure to comprehend a subtle use of asterisks is not reason for deletion.

kiwipete
April 25, 2005

Bernard now you mention Wright Phillips...was wondering seeing as Ian still loves Arsenal how on earth did the son end up at Man City?

Bernard
April 25, 2005

Blimey, I've only just got over my hysterics that started when seeing the funniest joke ever, kindly posted by DaveM yesterday. Old Man, you've got a lot to do to find one that'll make me laugh as much as this: Sean Wright-Phillips "is not as good a player as Pennant". Absolutely brilliant Dave.

kiwipete
April 25, 2005

Rob.. Would be OK if he is flattening two Spurs two Mancs and a Chelsea supporter.

Cannon Balls
April 25, 2005

OMOH,i have a Chelsea supporting friend and he is very friendly it's the other ones that worry me!.A tourist is wandering down the Seven Sisters road one Saturday afternoon he had wanted to see Arsenal play but they were away so decided to make do with Tottenham. On seeing a man wearing an Arsenal shirt he asks the direction to the Spuds ground. Just down there on the right at the end of of a pokey little street he tells him,be careful though you will see two queues one a long one and the other smaller.Make sure you stand in the small one the longer one is for the fish and chip shop.

Rob K
April 25, 2005

Great! Just what we needed. "Arsenal star arrested" - and its not the soon to be ex-star Pennant. Its Quincy! Arrested after football awards in a 5 man punch up.

Andy DB
April 25, 2005

Just like the old days http://footballmsn.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=272393&CPID=8&CLID=3&lid=&title=Arsenal+starlet+arrested&channel=Premiership

old man of hoy
April 25, 2005

My congratulations too to the guys creating the new site - god knows what you are doing but it seems to be working - guess i'll get dragged along in the wake! My way of looking at it is if Mee can handle it so can I. I really hope we do not lose Bob - somebody on this forum once referred to him as The Master and that is so true. Chelsea supporting friends of mine (sorry Cannon Balls but it is possible) were raving about his performance the other night. I love his instant control but i do wonder if we take it for granted? When you see him do it week in week out it is easy to forget just how skillful he is. Another strength is his ball retention and accurate use - it is a genuine shock when he is dispossessed or misplaces a pass. Also we often talk about a fox-in-the-box but how more Reynard can you be than Bob who seems to always be there to pick up the pieces? Just look at his goal tally for proof. One aspect of his game that The Young Man of Hoy and I have a laugh at is when he plays a long ball back to our goalie - he seems to do it once in a match and for some unknown reason we find it noteworthy - watch for it tonight. Congrats to John Terry although i feel Lumplard deserves it - seems that his fellow professionals have discounted his excellent international record. Ironically it can only have been Rooney's international showing that got him the Babies award. How a shortlist can have been arrived at without Cesc will remain as mysterious as Tim Howard's goalkeeping.

Cannon Balls
April 25, 2005

A publican Spuds supporter in the Seven Sisters road keeps a Parrot in a cage in the bar. One Saturday afternoon a tourist is having a drink when the football results come up on the TV. Arsenal 3, Manchester United O, intones the commentator, Tottenham 1,Birmingham..1. On hearing that the Parrot begins singing ,Glory ,glory Tottenham they have drawn again!.Wow!,says the tourist,he sings about the result amazing ,hey, what does he do when Tottenham win the leage then?. I don't know replies the publican,i have only had him for 42 years.

goonerguru
April 25, 2005

I have had a play around on the new site and to be honest like others I find it quite daunting,no doubt down to my age,so I had a play and created a blog page,OK lads whats all that about then?

Bernard
April 25, 2005

First of all guys, I also want to say thanks for all the work you've put into creating the new forum. I guess it's inevitable some people are going to like it, and others aren't. And while I'm really not opposed to change for, as all the people who've been on here a few years will know, I strongly supported the new club crest when it first came out, it's unfortunate that I fall into the latter category (those who aren't going to like it). That's not a big deal anyway, but I even find the layout of the screen less friendly. Was it dormouse who said he found it intimidationg? However, as I said, thanks for your efforts and congratulations as I'm sure (which I wasn't yesterday) that it'll prove very popular in the longer-term.

Cannon Balls
April 25, 2005

On On the Pires should he stay or should he go debate,if someone offers him more money and a loger than one year contract he might depart;it will not have escaped the attention of AW that there is a lack of geniune left-sided wingers in the EPL, Sven struggles to find one for England,though Joe Cole is doing a reasonable job of imitating one, albeit only so far against modest opposition. Wenger used AC3 in Pires place for a few games and may have been looking at using him there and Gael Clichy taking over at LB. I would like to see Pires playing there though again next season and let's hope that a compromise on the one year extension of contract can be found to implement that.It looks like Gabriel Heinze could miss the Cup Final after injuring his ankle, old red nose does not have an adequate replacement for him either and what with the dodgy GK and the struggling Keano,plus the disappearance off of the radar screen of ex- champion the one season wonder Horse, it's looking grim up north, and also in the trophy cabinet too!

Dormouse
April 25, 2005

And Opera! Though it seems to be working for me now,

Juliano
April 25, 2005

The new forum needs code optimization for Mozilla Firefox! Get rid of IE for jesus' sake! :)

Niall
April 25, 2005

Bmurph - just go here to access the new forum and register your details with the site. : http://www.fl.net.au/~steve/forum/

Bodies In The Box
April 25, 2005

Cheers Warrior. I'm sure I'll get used to it.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Hi Bodies - Have a play on the new forum a bit more - at least everything that gets posted here should remain in place - this current forum is wide open to abuse as we have seen in the past - the new forum can archive posts indefinately - some of the comments are well worth keeping. The new forum has many new features that can in the future make it far more versatile - something Steve used to do in the past was to call the games live via IRC - We have put in place a facility to do this via a live chat on the new forum so those who don't have access to live games can still know what's happening up to the minute. - Regards - Rog ..

Bodies In The Box
April 25, 2005

Have to admit that, without spending too much time looking into it, I much prefer the old forum format as it was so straightforward. However I have nothing but praise for those of you that have put your time and effort into continuing the site. Nice one.

old man of hoy
April 25, 2005

It is a very gloomy day in London. Rooney's goal was magnificent - he is horrible lump of lard but you have to admire his shooting ability. Not sure i shall warm to the new forum so i will use this until it expires - Young Man of Hoy - how are you finding it? Easy no doubt but it would be good to hear the views of a 20 year old. Predicting a draw tonight so race for second will be firmly back on. A guy falls asleep on the beach for several hours and gets a horrible sunburn. He goes to the hospital and is promptly admitted after being diagnosed with second-degree burns. With his skin already starting to blister and the severe pain he was in, the doctor prescribes continuous intravenous feeding with saline, electrolytes, a sedative, and a Viagra pill every four hours. The nurse who is rather astounded, says, "What good will Viagra do him Doctor? "It'll keep the sheets off his legs."

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Thanx Canon Balls - We are working on a massive FAQ that we will link on _this_ page to help a few of the technophobes - I'd like to continue working on Steves main page and his memorial page - The FAQ page is now located at the bottom of the main forum page - We will install easier links on the old forum to make it even easier to get to.

Cannon Balls
April 25, 2005

I agree with Mee that the new board is easy enough i just posted twice and had no problems sending them or reading them.This board is slightly easier to use but open to the likes of PTG and others to abuse with their multi post nonsense.So along with it's other features the new board looks like the Gunners tonight, a surefire winner!. Congrat's to everyone concerned,and well done!.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Hi Dormouse - We are writing a help file for all these questions as we speak. We were asked to keep the new forum like the old one - latest posts at the top - _after_ you make a post, it goes to the _last_ page by default - just go to page one to see your post. - We are adjusting the amount of posts per page to increase speed and have adjusted the Avatar sizing as requested. - Rog ..

Mee
April 25, 2005

Bernard: I’m older than you, so I have the right to say - Get on board! If I can work the new forum - anyone can .I agree it takes slightly longer, but then so does our build up play - perhaps you prefere the Allardyce route one method?

Dormouse
April 25, 2005

Actually Warrior, the new forum is not as easy or quick to use - for me at least. On the this (old) forum, I always have an open page on the forum & an open page on the submit page. When I start the browser (Opera), I don't have to do any clicks - it opens the forum at the current point. When I want to post, I go to the submit page & post. All incredibly simple.**** The new forum takes longer to load than the old one, It opens on the home page & I have to put in user name & password (OK, I use the Opera wand but there is still a bit of mouse work). That logs me in, but I'm taken to out of date posts (tried to reset it to start at newest, but it didn't stay there) & have to click to go to the current position. When I want to post, there is more clicking & reloading pages. Every time the pages have to reload, it takes more time. I do appreciate the extra facilities, but it is not as quick or simple.

Long Time Gooner
April 25, 2005

Bernard. I understand your concerns but I think that you shouldn't give up too easily. Nothing lasts for ever - not even Tony Adams. One concern I had when we learnt the devastating news about Steve was that this site would cease to be. I for one would support and applaud the efforts of people who are committing to the future. I had a play with it yesterday, and had a few questions, but am warming to it.

Västerås Gooner
April 25, 2005

Warrior// Thanks but it didn´t help. I´ll try again later when I´m home. Maybe it´s something with my computer at work (firewall or something I don´t about these things).

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Thanx Long Time Gooner - really appreciate it - We have worked very hard to try and make it easy yet very functional and - well - cool. - *** - There are many users signed up now on the 'new' forum - What is also good is that Steves mum wants a place for people to post messages about him - there will be a total of three entire sites to represent Steves legacy - I'm trying to do them now - one will be Steves main page - which will soon be returned to a great Arsenal page - (hopefully with a few fellow Gooners help) - Page two will be the main forum - and the final page will be a very detailed memorial page - which I will attempt to do now - the link to all these will be on Steves main page - Regards - Rog ..

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Hi Västerås Gooner - Try this link maybe ? - It does you a javascript redirect to ensure peoples bookmarks work - *** - http://202.181.21.81:8082/arsenal/index.php

Long Time Gooner
April 25, 2005

Bunyip/Warrior (and whoever else is involved). Thanks a lot for your efforts in continuing the development of this site. You have obviously put in a lot of effort, and have spent a lot of time over the last day or so dealing patiently and helpfully with all comments raised. Well done indeed.

Västerås Gooner
April 25, 2005

Warrior// I´m afraid it doesn´t work for me. It´s just white. Maybe because I got a Mac?

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Hi BMurph - the link is at the top just above "Enter message" - Regards - Rog ...

babu
April 25, 2005

It seems easy to use, even for me !!!

BMurph
April 25, 2005

Niall, congrats on all the hard work you and others are putting in to the new forum. My problem is..How do I find this new forum?

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Btw all - I've been trying to transfer all your Arsenal comments to the new board so they won't be wasted every few days like they have been in the past - this way - they can be archived and easily searched instead of merely discarded after only a few days like they have been for the past many years.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Cool - Thanx for that - Can you say 'Hi' to Bernard for us maybe ? ;-)

Mee
April 25, 2005

Warrior - I’m converted, even I can use the new site! Many thanks for all your hard work

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Problem ?

Bernard
April 25, 2005

Rog, I'm very sympathetict but isn't there some other way around the problem?

Warrior
April 25, 2005

"Niall, it's basically that a forum that was so drop dead easy to use has become far less so." - *** - What part are you getting stuck on ? - ** - three steps - same as now **** Enter site - click "Enter message - it's flashing now and in two places so it's hard to miss *** Step Two - Type in your message in the white box *** Step Three - post message by pressing "Post it" (same as you do now) or press CTRL-S to send your message. - Go back to page one to view your message - there are no forced logins, lost posts, or falsified names - truly bad posters can be dealt with easily.

Niall
April 25, 2005

Bernard, but it is easy to use - in fact it's as easy as this one because it follows the same structure (which we ensured remained) with one long page for the Supporters Forum and One for the Rumours page. You have logged in already and you can quite clearly see the "enter message button" and the text box appear. Now there is a glitch at the minute where it doesn't default to the last post but remember this is still a testing phase. You and others who have issues with pictures and smilies can turn them off with the click of two buttons. Really, in my opinion some of the "more mature" users seem to get scared as soon as something new is put on a computer in front of them but if you took the time to learn how it works, you will see that it is practically the same forum with a few added extras that are OPTIONAL to the user himself. I appreciate you may wish to forward some constructive criticism but I got to say that saying the forum is hard to use is not accurate at all.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Not until a new one is in place and everyone can use it ok - - so far, 45 people have signed up as members in only 14 hours during this 'test' and many are already posting there to test the water - several have made avatars to represent themselves, others have posted as guests or as logged in members, I have received personal emails from new members, people have suggested putting up polls for things - A few are finding the spelling checker a godsend. In the meantime, this forum will remain however. But it is tremendously difficult to maintain and unfortunately all the posts that are ever posted here are always destoyed after only a few days - seems a shame as there can be some good reading in the older posts ...

Bernard
April 25, 2005

Niall, it's basically that a forum that was so drop dead easy to use has become far less so. I massively appreciate the work you and others have put into keeping it going, but why change it's strengths so much? Look at the (very) regular posters habits. I'll guarantee I'll hardly use this forum anymore because whoever has made it so much more difficult. This forum will (or may) become another AWIMB or etc, in my view.

kiwipete
April 25, 2005

Niall/Warrior... does this mean there is a sell by date for this forum and I'll log on one day to... sob..find it has disappeared.

Niall
April 25, 2005

Bernard - perhaps if you outline exactly what you are having difficulty with, we can help you out rather than being so insulting to a person who has put in an incredible amount of work to modernise the site for all of us so that it can be easily maintained for all of us in the future. Perhaps people aren't aware but Steve wanted to upgrade this site before he took ill and what Roger has done is carry out those wishes for his friend. Now, be fair, if you don't like the site or have issues you need help with then post something constructive such as how it could be improved etc etc instead of insulting people who are doing their best to move the forum forward. Bernard and Goonerguru - you have both successfully logged in and registered with the site and Matthew Wade has even managed to work out his signatures and pics after jumping to conclusions, which to be fair he admitted he did.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

"Bernard wrote: Rog, dare I suggest that you seem to assume everyone has a technilogical level more or less equal to yours, or Niall's" - **** - No - I don't - that's why I've been here for 14 hours straight answering questions and trying to help everyone with a new board that the 2 of us have spent the past 4 weeks creating.

Bernard
April 25, 2005

Moderately common mistake (I hope), but the last post from Rog was from me. I was addressing him so put his name in the relevant box. I'd still prefer those mistakes to the way it's going though.

3GS
April 25, 2005

I would like to share a remarkable bit of poetry by the the famous poet Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings.Hope this gets you all in the mood for the Spurs game. "The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occassionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal."

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Matthew ! - You've done it - you posted on the new forum - and created an avatar - and created a signature file .. - Wow - Easy, yes ?

Rog
April 25, 2005

Rog, dare I suggest that you seem to assume everyone has a technilogical level more or less equal to yours, or Niall's etc. This insulting play around with the site and you'll end up liking it is fine for many people, but as I implied earlier, I find it insulting. Shouldn't the job of you techno-wizards (just for you Daz) be to make computerisation easier for the rest of us. If you don't believe me, compare the number of posts you'll get on to your new forum to the number the old one used to get.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Matthew - there is and always will be still only the one main 'thread' - and one for rumours - another thread by Steve's mums request was a method of posting comments about Steve which is there also - Rog ..

Matthew Wade
April 25, 2005

Scratch my last comment about segmented topics.....I saw the visual format and jumped to conclusions...having said that, I do definitely agree with those who think this older forum is easier on the eye........ah well, we'll see...plus ca change? (although I suspect I may have got my french wrong there...)

Matthew Wade
April 25, 2005

I have never been called a luddite, and am quite familiar with other internet fora, and have to say I too am voting in favour of retaining the old style. If things get segmented into discussion topics, you tend to miss out the more interesting diversions, and end up with even greater concentrations of those who have occasionally dominated this forum by banging on endlessly abou whatever their current bug-bear is. In my exprience the Steve G format tends to encourage the washing away of repetative self-importance and stimulates a broader base of discussion........even if it is a little less efficient.....

Warrior
April 25, 2005

"BUT, the main aspect of this forum that I have enjoyed over the years is the ability to scan all the latest posts " - ***** But Theodore - all the posts have routinely been lost forever to save space every 3-4 days - this has never varied for nearly 10 years - to scan for _anything_ on the new forum try clicking 'search' - it will search all items - ****** - "Following various 'threads' (is that right?)," ** - Well no - there are really only the 2 threads - Rumours and the normal supporters one. It's a shame that a few see added choice, functionality, security, features, future proofing, historic archiving, all as confusing and simply 'too hard' - I must admit, I do sympathize with Ozzy Osbourne when he was handed that space age remote and just wanted to watch the news, but surely this can't be that bad ....

kiwipete
April 25, 2005

Goonerguru/Bernard have to agree.. a young persons site but then I liked the old style radios where you tuned into a station by twiddling the knob and a little needle whizzed along the dial... ah Buddy Holly, Fats Domino, Hornby trains,Meccano sets, Chums annuals, the Armstrong Siddley ,Jowett Javelin, Standard/Vanguard where did they go..?

Theodore
April 25, 2005

I really don't wish to seem luddite, or middle-aged (though I am the latter, at least) - BUT, the main aspect of this forum that I have enjoyed over the years is the ability to scan all the latest posts without having to continually load a new screen. This is time-consuming, and tedious. I also enjoy the variety of topics under discussion - like a raucous gathering of friends (ish) - which occasionally gets out of hand, but by and large is various and stimulating. Gripping though the interminable debates over the relative left feet of Eddie McGoldrick and Gus Caesar are, they are always leavened by interjections of other interest, if only of philosophical ego-trips. If you don't like them, they are easy to ignore. Following various 'threads' (is that right?), for me, loses the unique quality of the great forum of the great man. Whilst I appreciate all the work done by those now bearing the load, I do hope that this particular baby is not thrown out with the bathwater. Blair, along with all other politicians, have done nothing else for decades. All change is not necesarily good, and it is no coincidence that this is the only such forum that I have ever looked at more than once. Be careful.

kiwipete
April 25, 2005

Morning Daz..ahh you can't pull the wool over my eyes Cobber.. this is your forte inextricably involved in nuclo-thermic debate remember BMurph, Percy, Todd Huey and Dewey,EEG,Niall. and now we have Choc..only trouble is the annoying little retard wont rise to the challenge and confirm your debating genius. Choccy..a little sparse with the truth "van Persie has had games..?" 8 minutes a time is not really start. Warrior/ Bunyip appreciate your efforts...tough call for you blokes. Steve Gleiber created the Rolls Royce of forums .. ease of use , scrolling forum , and importantly the tones [ light on dark format] Just had a go on the new forum took half an hour to register [ my numb nuts fault ] but then in to the minefield of choices.. enable emoticons ...what is an emoticon. Posted but where that went to is anybodies guess Buzz Aldrin might pick that up next time around. Maybe there should be a site exactly the same as this entitled "Old Codgers". Have to qualify all this by saying bought a new Walkman the other day and took three months to use because the PLAY button was in a different position.

goonerguru
April 25, 2005

Sorry Niall,have to agree with Bernard,I like the old site because it's soooo simple to use there is not that much to think about which is great for me and Mee,I expect I will get used to it in time but everything seems so much more complicated and too much else going on when you are reading the posts.When I have posted it never takes me to the last post and maybe it's just me but it all seems slower to load I don't have problems with other sites,I think the guys who have done this are the dogs b*ll** but people like me and Mee are still in the Iron age compared to most on here so we will have to rely on you younger generation to be patient with us,but when my grandkids come over again they will soon sort me out.

Theodore
April 25, 2005

Mee & me agree

Niall
April 25, 2005

That's the attitude NBM. Play around - get used to the site. Browse the options and see what they do. Post any old nonsense for a week so you get used to it. Look in your control panel and disable what you like and what you don't and you'll soon be there and after a while you won't know the difference.

North Bank Mural
April 25, 2005

I think like most new gadgets/software etc. you just need to play around with it. How about a poll after a week or so to gauge general opinion? As Alan Partridge would say, "Change is a certainty, like tax and nurses"

Niall
April 25, 2005

I don't see anything complicated about the navigation. You click on Supporters Forum and then it brings you to a rule page where you click on General Supporters Forum. Then you post as per usual, so the navigation is easy once you get used to it. As for the pictures and smilies - I think I am correct in saying there are the options in your control panel to turn them off so once again if you don't want to see them, disable the option.

chocolate gooner
April 25, 2005

OMOH… allow me to return your kind compliment… in spades. It is amazing just how much we take for granted as fans. Thank you for reminding me just what odds Le Boss is up against. Cheers, Sir. … … … … … … Warrior/ Rog, Niall, Rob K and everyone else involved in setting up the new forum, please accept my gratitude and respect. Your labour is very much appreciated. Thank you guys. VVPTBAG. Long live Steve G’s forum. Cheers all. Goodnight all.

Bernard
April 25, 2005

Niall, I would imagine pretty well everyone has had a look at it, and maybe a few of us simply don't think it's remotely as good as this one. Why make something that's more complicated to use; what's the point? Yes, you can try and ignore those poncy cartoons, but just like the smilies on AWIMB, they're E*Ging irritating in my opinion. I'm not blaming you or anyone else who was involved in the design of it, but as I implied before, change is not always for the best.

North Bank Mural
April 25, 2005

Think I registered, seems a bit long winded, suppose practice will make perfect!!!

Mee
April 25, 2005

Goonerguru; My son tells me that ‘btw’ stands for by the way’, if you were trying to decipher warriors message.

old man of hoy
April 25, 2005

All credit to Mourinho but let us not overstate his undoubted powers of motivation in comparison with our own guy. As a manager Mourinho has a perfect scenario; he and his tactics were unknown; he has a squad full of superstars the vast majority seemingly happy with their terms and conditions; several of his key players are at the peak of their careers but because they haven't won much are hungry for trophies; many others are young and chock full of ambition; by and large they have all remained fit; they are playing in a league with just two serious challengers, both of whom live within the sort of financial constraints unknown to Chelsea; English football has been crying out for somebody to challenge United and Arsenal so the media and authorities have been relatively kind. On top of all that they have the chance to win the league for the first time since 1955. All the factors are there for success. Compare with Arsene's scenario - he has been set the task of asking his players to climb Everest yet again, with less resources than his rivals. He has had to contend with injuries to several major players, as well as destabilising interference from Chelsea and some poor refereeing decisons at crucial times. His squad is not replete with superstars - it is over reliant on young, untried and in many ways green youths. He has a style of play beloved by fans, but which is so frightening to the opposition that they have devised two new systems to combat it - 4-5-1 and brutality. Yet somehow our man competes and gets a huge amount from his team. Yes Mourinho is a top manager - no he is not better than Le Boss.

US Martin
April 25, 2005

Brazil, I don't see our problems as stemming out of what happened, scandalous and shameful as it was at OT. I go back five and six years, to our 3-0 loss at home to Boro in which we bossed the game from the opening kick against a POSITIVE Boro side that actually played football and attacked but still only went up 2-0 through two own goals from our Brazilians of that day Silvinho and a fresh-faced Edu. From there Boro withdrew into their own area blocke a lot of runs with and without the ball into the area blocked some shots and gambled we couldn't punish this from the 20 or so corners they happily conceded that day and WON, even get a late third from Hamilton Ricard(I only note that as this is the first time in those five years I recalled his name)basically gatting three goals from one shot to our 15 or so and one or two corners to over 20 from us. If we had ANY aerial ability we do no worse than draw that day, and win in a canter if we don't shoot ourselves in the foot twice at the back. I think Sam Allardyce saw this and studied it, as before his teams began kicking like the mancs they simply sat back in their box at Highbury the next were totally overrun but blocked all but one chance out and were down 1-0 late before you guessed, snatching a draw at 1-1(Indeed our goal came fairly late as I recall it to go up one)The next year again 1-1 until Kanu saved us in extra time. See these tactics actually work best at highbury were the narrow length and width of pitch leaves even less room for the runs and through-balls and low crosses we thrive on. Each more and more sides at the bottom of the table(lower half) have seized on these tactics and stolen points from Highbury they barely deserved, most of all this year. I think Boro showed a way to stop us at Highbury and Allardyce in particular saw it as a way to keep in touch with a vastly superior side that would overrun any team playing conventional football save or the very best. I think he saw these tactics used for most of the match would if properly executed give any side a chance to steal something late at home or particularly at Highbury. He even said he felt he had "sussed out" our tactics. Just as Allardyce saw how Boro gambled and won, others have seen how Allardyce has gambled and gotten away with more than he should. If we don't address the fact that our tactics can be effectively countered at Highbury and adjust NOT change them to address this problem, then yes next year will be every bit as tough and possibly disappointing as this was for the lads and thus for us...

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Mee -I like your son already - and I'm certain we have never met ...

Mee
April 25, 2005

Warrior - I think the new site is incredibly clever and I’m sure that I’ll get the hang of it sometime in the future. please take my witterings as what they are, the musings of an old fogey - my son thinks its all great!

Niall
April 25, 2005

Come onguys get onto the new board and take a look...

Warrior
April 25, 2005

It's there and I replied to it - have a look - btw - it's on page one (1) in case you were actually viewing page "two"

goonerguru
April 25, 2005

OK Warrior you win,I got in and typed me little message,pressed post,so where did it go then?

Warrior
April 25, 2005

"You see that post from warrior is from me - I’m so confused I don’t even know who I am . . . " - ** Mee - I was merely quoting what you had said and I'm trying to answer your questions as fast as I can.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

4-2-4 ?? Huh - ** Anyway - three steps - same as now **** Enter site - click "Enter message - it's flashing now and in two places so it's hard to miss *** Step Two - Type in your message in the white box *** Step Three - post message by pressing "Post it" (same as you do now) or press CTRL-S to send your message. Like vcrs, mobile phones, etc, with a video, you know where the play button is - you needn't know how to program all the functions on it - as long as it plays tapes - ** Like your mobile phone - As long as it makes calls, you needn't worry about being able to repair one .. You're doing fine on the new board - and who knows, after a while, you might see a new feature that you even like - even a little bit

goonerguru
April 25, 2005

I will second that Mee,I feel like a thick old sad git,hang on a minute I am,whats a video and a mobile then?

Mee
April 25, 2005

You see that post from warrior is from me - I’m so confused I don’t even know who I am . . .

Mee
April 25, 2005

Warrior: You are talking to people who have difficulty using a mobile phone, cannot set a video machine, have only the vaguest notion of what 1.5mbit connection might be and struggle to understand 4-2-4. I’m sure the new site is a very wonderful place but to people like Goonerguru and me its a dark forbidding ghost train of a place with hidden skeletons, wonky floorboards, huge black spiders and people laughing at us as we emerge into the daylight.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

"I have just returned from the nightmare that is the new forum. With this old forum I enter the site, one click I can either enter a message or choose to read the posts." *** and that's one of the problems - Anyone can post anything for all to see with near impunity***** Note on the new forum, whilst making a post you can view the messages below to see where things are at ...****** "The new forum is a bewildering sci-fi trip to a far off black planet complete with ......" ***** Despite you having registered succesfully and easily making seven posts to it ? ******* "I shall use this forum until it disappears down a black hole and then my voice will be stilled." ***** We'll see ...

goonerguru
April 25, 2005

Long Time Gooner I have got broadband,I might have to wait for the grandkids to come they are 8 and 5 so I'm sure they will know how to do it.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Goonerguru - Two choices - Either click "Pinned: General Supporters Discussions 12 This is the primary thread for this area" ****** - *** or - Click "Supporters Forum Archives" - That one should go there also. It's best to enter the forum from the 'front' (the link above) as it can show you new topics, chat rooms, etc, etc .. The page is limited to 20 posts per page to make it fast whereas the current forum used to get to over 500k - which made it dog slow - We have a 1.5 Mbit connection and very steady upstream running on a fast dedicated server here so it should be very fast

Daz
April 25, 2005

No surprises that I won't be joining them, chocolate. Perhaps you could answer why Sol doesn't deserve our patience and respect while Cygan, Reyes and Gilberto do?

Mee
April 25, 2005

I have just returned from the nightmare that is the new forum. With this old forum I enter the site, one click I can either enter a message or choose to read the posts. The new forum is a bewildering sci-fi trip to a far off black planet complete with tags, user identities, enabling devices, user ‘threads’ pictures of Bart Simpson, invitations to join Liam Brady’s squad . . . . I shall use this forum until it disappears down a black hole and then my voice will be stilled.

Long Time Gooner
April 25, 2005

Goonerguru. Invest in broadband?

goonerguru
April 25, 2005

Warrior/Rog I said it would be painful,went to the new site clicked Supporters Forum,next page Steve Gleiber home page rules of the forum etc can't find any large flashing enter message also seems very slow in loading...help

Long Time Gooner
April 25, 2005

Warrior. Thanks for that. It's a bit like an adventure game isn't it? Do I have to guess what I need to do to progress more levels. Is there a boss level?

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Hi Mee - It isn't 'official' yet - but the url at the top will always work - when it's redirected, all old links to this forum will simply automatically go to the new forum. We are running both at once so people can still post the 'old' way and also have a look at the new forum. It does many more things (if you want) and can have a lot of new cool things added to it. Calendars, Polls, different topics, etc ...

Mee
April 25, 2005

What is the official web address for the new forum?

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Long time - you posted fine on the new forum - and edited your avatar - This nearly puts you at the "Masters" level

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Goonerguru - it's really quite simple - you needn't sign up for anything if you don't like *** - *** - 1) Go to site - click "Supporters Forum Your Arsenal thoughts and views sent Directly to the Net " *** - *** 2) Click large flashing "Enter message" at the top *** - *** 3) Enter message - Press CTRL - S to Send *** Rog

Long Time Gooner
April 25, 2005

Goonerguru. I'm afraid it won't me me who helps you. I'm still struggling around in it myself. However I did find a picture of an attractive lady so I guess that it's not all bad news.

chocolate gooner
April 25, 2005

Mee… Thank you too. I have to warn you though that congratulating me could drive certain individuals round the bend… and who knows what deranged reaction that might induce. :-) Cheers.

goonerguru
April 25, 2005

Been away a couple of days,came back and saw there is a new forum with all sorts of squiddley bits and little cartoon characters jumping up and down as one of the forums old farts the new site frightens the **** out of me,so someone will have to talk me through it very slowly,I warn you though it could be very painful.

Mee
April 25, 2005

Chocolate; for the second time today you have someone congratulating you on an excellent post.

chocolate gooner
April 25, 2005

Brazil 70… Mourinho may well be the better manager, it’s arguable, but to me it makes no odds; Mourinho wouldn’t have given us 9 years of exemplary service if he could walk on out on Porto the way he did (and please note that he’s already negotiated a further increase in his wages before a single season is done). Wenger resisted Real and kept our best players here for us… he could easily have taken Real’s moolah and gone with Vieira, Henry and whoever else in tow… and who’d have blamed him? One has to think about that too, so, as far as I’m concerned , all things considered, we have the best manager for us and that is all one can really ask for. Any ways, we’ll see how next season pans out. Mourinho, just in case you’d forgotten, inherited a team that had already had 130m GBP spent on it whilst finishing second and then spent an additional 70m GBP himself and then proceeded to play some seriously tedious football . And while I agree with you that their first eleven is no better than ours, in fact it is probably not as good taken on the whole, it is in terms of the squads that their money made a big difference. And they were very lucky with injuries too. Terry and Lampard were ever present as was Makalele who, as a footballer, is seriously underrated. We lost Gilberto, and then Edu… Sol was disastrously off form even when he played and Vieira seemed to take an entire season to find his feet. Those are not factors that you can deal with if you have no strength in depth. And some things are just unavoidable… we were always going to hit the proverbial wall sooner or later because of the season we had last time out and because of the shallowness of our squad. Any way I don’t agree that we’ve done all that badly… if we were ahead of Chelsea at this stage we would have been having an even better season than we had last season. We are second, we’re top scorers in the league and we have a whole bunch of seriously gifted youngsters coming through so we will be competitive next season. On OT, I quite frankly don’t understand the people who are so critical of the manager’s reaction… we were mugged. And given the circumstances I would have done exactly the same… and so would a whole lot of us. In the end it might not have been the best reaction but at the time I wanted Wenger to say exactly what he said and I was glad that he said it so I can’t complain now, can I?. Fair dos to Chelsea, they’ve been consistent and they deserve the title, in as much as they bought it… but I’m happy with where we are and we are going about things. Cheers.

AmericanGooner
April 25, 2005

DaveM, regarding our attacking fluency with the Vieira/Silva partnership. With Fabregas on the bench as a substitue, we now have one of the best playmaking center mids around. Also, van Persie off the bench as well. If we're winning a game, it doesn't matter, this 'fluency' is only a problem when we need goals perhaps and with the aforementioned to come off the bench we have that. **** kiwipete, I don't like Fowler, wasn't me. **** AJ or Trez? Neither is my opinion. **** Bernard, that's Yakubu. Fair points. I still like him though... ;-) **** I don't mind starting Reyes for his confidence as some said, but by all means, lets substitute him out earlier if he's just not having a good day so we can get on with the business of winning matches. **** Solman, not sure how Wenger can come to that assessment (loyalty of English players). Parlour didn't want to leave, even when offered a starting position elsewhere a couple years ago, he'd rather be on the bench here and only marital/financial woes sent him off up north. Adams and Keown were gooners till the end. Taylor has stayed even though he could have gotten a starting job with most Championship sides or a PL side or two and at 24, may be doing himself a disservice by staying.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Hi Mee - click any part of the page then use the arrow up/down keys (or your mouse wheel if equipped)

Mee
April 25, 2005

New Site: is it possible to read the forum posts by scrolling - as this one? It looks a very elegant site, although impossible to navigate for idiots like me.

Brazil 70
April 25, 2005

Chocolate-I agree with your summary of Wenger's achievements as it concisely describes why I admire the man so much. Nonetheless despite the obstacles we have had to overcome, going into the old traffford game we were in a position of some dominance in the league.Depending on your view we were cheated & lost.A loss was always going to happen & when it did, Wenger himself warned it would be traumatic & that we should prepare.But how do you explain what happened next.What has so upset me about this season is that we lost the title in games against teams like West Brom,Palace,Bolton,Saints etc.Why did we buckle like we did when we clearly have so many outstanding ,intelligent players who are in my book more than the equal of Chelsea ( although if we cannot inflict a defeat on Chelsea why do we expect inferior teams to ourselves to do so).One conclusion is that Mourinho managed his resources this season better than Wenger did ( ignoring Wenger's ability to acquire quality players on the shoe string budget he operates on).I have a worry that Mourinho may be a superior manager in terms of tactics & motivation (demonstrated by his achievements in his first year) & if you add that to an unlimited budget, next year may be as hard if not harder than this year.

US Martin
April 25, 2005

OMOH it is not a lack of attacking power but of attacking variety or options. And teams have figured it out. It is like in American baseball when pitchers intentionally walk Barry Bonds, and his side has to figure out new ways to prodiuce the runs he normally produces. We know we can score and have the best most skilled and stylish attack in the Premiership. But the lack of variety has been used against us with tremendous success this season and also to lesser extants the last five years. How else do you score five against Boro and one against West Brom at THOF who then give up four against Chelsea and five against Liverpool? Form? Luck? Or maybe tactics? Rather the opposition's tactics. Sit back deep with eight or nine in the box even after you conceded a goal for all but the last ten minutes. Anything can happen at 1-0, no matter how good your defence is. We dropped points late leading 1-0 as often last year and even the year before as this. We can score on any defence playing the way we do, especially the poorer ones even if the put all ten out-field men in the box. But can we score twice is the issue against such tactics-can we go up two goals at which point we are simply uncatchable under Wenger(maybe five times in seven years and maybe once actually mattering)? Without at least attempting to exploit the numerous corners we do get with teams using these tactics or to actually attack some of the crosses played in over the defenders, the answer is no all too often. ANY defence can lose a 1-0, even the very best. I'd rather score two goals a match and win them all them or close enough to ensure the Championship than see us explode one week then settle for 1-1 the next and come up short. Add an aerial threat we explode one week then win 2-1 the next. Champions and with Style, both domestically and in Europe. Trezeguet or Adriano or a number of others makes this happen...

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Hi - I'm copying posts over to the new forum since it's gone 'live' to help load test it. - Rog

Long Time Gooner
April 25, 2005

Cannon/Chocolate/OMOH. Are you posting twice or is there an automatic way of posting onto this forum and the new one?

Cannon Balls
April 25, 2005

Spuds manager Jol and Arsenal reject Carrick have thrown down the gauntlet for tommorow nights game by claiming that they ae coming to THOF to win!. That will make a change for them they have not won anywhere else against London sides away this season, nor at home too often either. Jol also says that when the Spuds find their Vieira and Henry they will win the Premiership!. Of course Jol himself be be long gonefrom the lane the lane that time forgot off to Ajax by then,and so will not be able to join in the joyous celebrations of Londons latest championship winning side. Leaving aside all of this nonsense it is obvious that the real purpose of the Spuds is to try and help their old partner in slime the drunken jockagain at OT to secure second place in the table,however though they seem to be drawing some conclusions from last weekends 2-2 draw with Liverpool they are the wrong ones. Everyone knows that the car-thieves save their best for the CL so that draw is not that greata result plus they only got it courtesy of a Gerrard missed penalty,and with lowly Palace turning the Red scousers over yesterday it's been even more devalued. They will find our players more committed, and that, plus our superior class will give us the win that we need to keep our momentum going.

chocolate gooner
April 25, 2005

OMOH… you’re too kind. Thank you. Cheers.

old man of hoy
April 25, 2005

I believe Chocolate has just about posted the perfect response to your argument DaveM - i was also not sure just what point you were making about our successful club but Chocolate has made a terrific case for Le Boss. As for our lack of attacking power i think we are yet again the highest scorers? Rumour has it that Pennant was unable to comply with the time-keeping required by the Arsenal and was frequently late for training. These things matter because failure to do so shows a lack of respect for the manager and fellow players. Did he ever really learn? A lot is made of his not being given much opportunity after his 3 goals against Soton - but never forget that was hardly the ultimate test. I was at Highbury that night and quite frankly if called upon i could have come down from the West Stand and got on the score sheet so bad were the Saints - please note i would probably have risen at the back post above a packed defence to nod one of Jermaine's crosses in. I think we have to accept that we will have many excellent young players on our books but only a few will become stars for us. To do so they have to be extra special like Vieira, Anelka, Cole, Clichy, Cesc and hopefully Senderos. Sadly for him Pennant was not in that class - nor was i.

Bernard
April 25, 2005

Rog, thanks, I'll have another look then. As I say, I got confused by a message that said I already had registered, when I hadn't previously.

Bored
April 25, 2005

Dave M: If Pennant is so obviously going to make it at the highest level why didn't a big or even a medium sized club come in for him? He may indeed make it but the fact is he was given a lot chances and he kept screwing up big time. I think its unreasonable to expect Arsenal to wait indefinately in the hope he may finally sort himself out, especially after we've already waited 4 years. Using your line of argument why should he get more and more chances at the expense of other young players when he cant even stay out of trouble?

chocolate gooner
April 25, 2005

DaveM … I have to give you credit for providing a very good belly laugh for me today. On the one hand Ljungberg is rubbish and on the other Pennant is great. Yet our own eyes told us that Ljungberg is infinitely the better player as far as our right hand side goes. If Pennant is so great why couldn’t he dislodge a player like Ljungberg, who despite his limitations, has still contributed goals and assists this season. If Pennant isn’t better than Ljungberg… and he ISN’T, what’s the fuss? The guy has had enough chances and if he were good enough he would have taken the chances he was given. He ain’t good enough and making excuses for him along the lines of “Wenger never gave him a chance” or “Wenger didn’t like him” is cobblers. Wenger paid £2m GBP for the guy… more than he paid for Cygan!! The guy had his chance to stake a claim at the beginning of the season and did practically diddlysquat. Also saying that Wenger is too loyal is a load of pap. Sol is on the bench after he’s just signed a new deal and he is one of the very senior players in the team… and he is warming the bench because a younger player has gone in and done the job. So what’s your point? Vieira rates Gilberto, Henry has spoken of his value to the team, Arsene Wenger rates him as did Scolari and Perriera but hey! You know better. I’m sorry but your argument is all over the place… you want young players given a chance but not guaranteed a place; you don’t say. Who told you that Reyes has been guaranteed a place? And who brought both Aliadiere and Van Persie to the club? Who scouted them? You? You keep banging on about youngsters that are at our club at the managers behest as if you know more about them than the man who signed them. And I’m still waiting for you to tell us who the managerial examples are that support your position on young players. You don’t play someone because of their age whether they are young or old… you play them based on ability and maturity and we have given more youngsters first team opportunities than any club of same stature in Europe in recent years … with the probable exception of Ajax.. and they play in a much smaller league. Good luck to Pennant at Birmingham but he wasn’t good enough and if anyone was to blame for his failure… that person is Jermaine Pennant himself. Even funnier is the idea that losing the guy who is quite possibly the best striker in the world and an absolute cornerstone of our attacking play, as well as being a leader of the team should have no impact on our attacking. Dave M … sorry mate but I have to ask… who do you coach and where can I watch them play because going by your posts you must be a premiership manager. We have a 17y/o midfielder who has played a whole bunch of games; we have a 20y/o CB who is keeping out an England international. We have Kolo at 23 or thereabout, we have Ashe at 23 or thereabouts. We have Clichy who has started enough games this season and who’d have started a lot more but for injury… we have Van Persie ,who was a villain not so long ago, playing some matches and starting others. Reyes is 21 and you have dubbed him a failure already and with your deep psychological insight assessed him as mentally weak… AND YOU ARE BANGING ON ABOUT YOUTH. Jeez. Arsene Wenger for the record has taken a team that could very easily have been in the position of Spurs or Liverpool and made them perennial challengers for the league title in this country. He has done it on a budget that is a fraction of what his main rivals have at their disposal… we are on course to finish an injury ravaged season ahead of ManUre and behind a team that has probably outspent us by some 20-1… and you want to lecture him on which players to play and when… what makes you qualified? Cheers.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Bernard - You registered succesfully 20 mins ago - again - email verification has been turned OFF so no one needs to wait to get an emailed reply - Regards - Rog ..

Bernard
April 25, 2005

I went off to register and it returned a message saying I must have already done so - which I definitely have not. So am I to assume that one or more other people have already registered to use the name 'Bernard', meaning that if I'm to continue posting I have to use a new name or handle?

Bernard
April 25, 2005

I'm the one that's always posted under the name 'Bernard'.

US Martin
April 25, 2005

Dave problem with a change in style is that it will require more than one or two top players in all likelihood and that such sweeping changes will set us back for another three years and with Chelsea buying its way clear and ManUre capable of joining them in that policy if we slip back and AG doesn't sell out regularly we won't be able to buy our way back or hold onto the youngsters we covet who want silverware and the financial rewards that go with it. Now if you say fine, they don't love Aresnal like we do, let them go, fine. We're here for the long haul hell or high water, unbeaten or relegated, but then you cannot complain if we cannot win things. We are NOT that far off at all from dominating this Leasue again and the answer is not at the back but up-front. And it is not VanPersie(who WILL get his chance and in time be as crucial to Arsenal perhaps as Henry is now)or Aliadere(the French Matthew Upson, not his fault he's been hurt so often, but not Wenger's either - the manager can only go on what he's seen and he hasn't seen enough for whatever reason for my money) Bring in Trezeguet and we can still play as we do with such effectiveness against sides willing to play football, and fare far better against sides who put eight or nine men behind the ball inside their own penalty area(a tactic which cost us retaining our title)for 75-80 minutes, even down a goal. If we deny teams the opportunity to use those tactics all they can do is try to kick us and the media is finally coming around to see how wrong that is and how something must be done. Otherwise its 4-1 and 5-1 to Arsenal if you get a Trezeguet or similar type. He heads in the odd corner or even a cross while Henry, Bobby, Freddie and VanPersie do what they already do so well. And on Pennant - Have we forgotten David Bentley here?

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Hi James = you posted succesfully as a guest - to make it easier for people to sign up, we have turned off the email verification - so, you can use your account immediately.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

We already have like 15 Bernards signed up - which one are you ? ;-')

JamesLT
April 25, 2005

Hmm, I tried registering on the new forum, which seemed to work, but then I didn't receive an email to confirm the registration, and now when I try to log in I just get a error message. Either I'm banned (possibly) or simply a computing imbecile (probably)... Oh well, I'll try again tomorrow... Hopefully all the other regulars will make the switch too... PTBAG

Bunyip
April 25, 2005

You can use the same account on whichever machine your at at the time. Bun.

Bernard
April 25, 2005

I post a lot from two different computers, my home and work ones, and very occasionally (rarely but it has happened) from one or two others also. Is it possible to register as Bernard using different computers, or will I have to call myself Bernard on one and something else on the other?

DaveM
April 25, 2005

Solman, yeah that would fit in with my belief he didn't like him. He's made a mistake.

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Mee - You already posted succesfully 1) Go to site - click "Supporters Forum Your Arsenal thoughts and views sent Directly to the Net " *** 2) Click large flashing "Enter message" at the top *** 3) Enter message - Press CTRL - S to Send *** Rog

Mee
April 25, 2005

I think I tried that, but got completely lost amongst all the buttons, threads, etc - Is there a simple 1 click her, 2 enter message 3 post on line? Please keep this site going - otherwise the voice of Mee will forever be silent.

DaveM
April 25, 2005

I think Gilberto is getting too much credit for our defensive improvement. The problem we've had this season has been with crosses, from set pieces and from open play. Senderos is dominant in the air. The invisible shield is supposed to break up attacks, but we haven't been played though very often this season and as Wenger has obseved we actually concede very few crosses. The problem is we had a run where whenever they went into the box the ball went into the net. In my mind it's Senderos who's sorted this. What I want with young players is for them to be given a fair chance, not to guaranteed a place. Reyes, who is a big money signing as well as being a young player, has been given loads of chances. He has failed. It is not fair on other players at the club that no matter how many poor performances he puts in he keeps starting the next game. He's been worked out - how many times in the last 6 months has he gone past another player? He's mentally fragile. As someone else said, even if he ran into form it would surely only be a matter of time until his confidence went again. We're carrying him, and we can't afford to do that. He won't be a great player for us, and he won't be a great player for anyone else either. Having talent is not enough. If VP and Ali don't get a chance now they may as well both leave in the summer. What more does VP in particular have to do? Surely if you come on and score two brilliant goals in 8 minutes, and if the two strikers ahead of you are consistently awful, then you've earnt the right to a couple of starts yourself? Not at Arsenal you haven't. As someone else said, if he's fragile, what about Reyes? Senderos is in because he's had a completely unambiguous impact on the team. Before every cross was a nightmare, now we look secure. Only centre-backs and goal-keepers can do that. Attacking play is more team orientated, and Wenger can always make excuses and spread the blame. Wenger is loyal to a fault, and part of that must involve making excuses for players who aren't performing. If Henry is the only difference between us looking great going forward and us looking inept then Wenger's really screwed up. However, there is more to this than Henry, as our rubbish display at Boro showed. In general against good sides, who don't give Henry space, we struggle as an atacking side. We need a change in style and personnel if we don't want to just repeat this season. I don't see AJ (absolutely, the new Phillips) or Trez (who always seems to play badly when I see him) sorting the issue. Ali has a more rounded game, and in any case where are they going to get the service from? Ljungberg?

Warrior
April 25, 2005

Mee - you can still post as a guest - did you create an account yet ? If not, it won't accept a username and password it hasn't been told - Try creating a new account first - you will be able to use those details immediately *** Rog ..

Warrior
April 24, 2005

Hi Mee - Why won't it let you on ? - Rog ..

Mee
April 24, 2005

Am I destined to be the only person left on this site? I’ve been trying to log onto the new site for about an hour without success - I need spoonfeeding with this - or shall I just go away?

SOLMAN
April 24, 2005

Re Pennent , I agree from an outsiders viewpoint the boy has been mistreated , after all he scored 3 goals on his first start and then gets ignored, however its obvious that his dedication did not match his talent which is why he has left us . My source tell me that Wenger does not beleive that English players are dedicated enough , Campbell for example arrived at the club from Spurs 2 stone overweight and I suspect there is more to his being on the bench then meets the eye.

DaveM
April 24, 2005

I think Wenger has made a massive error with Pennant. The crosses he put in yesterday were superb. His work rate is decent, he is quick and skillful enough to run players, and his crossing, both from set pieces and from open play is very good. He'll end up back at a big club. We're crying out for a wide right player who can put the ball into the box (and strikers who don't actively dislike being there), so we can actually create against good sides who don't give Henry space. Now the best case scenario is we spend £20m on SWP, who is not as good a player as Pennant. The worst case scenario is we don't bring in anyone wide right. Pennant was never given a decent opportunity by Wenger (I'm pretty sure he never started two consecutive games in his time with us), in contrast to some of Wengers big name buys who weren't expected to perform in the first game they played. I can only assume Wenger didn't like Pennant. The club is going to quite literally pay for that.

Dormouse
April 24, 2005

Just noticed 2 rumours on the BBC. Spuds to bid £7m for AJ. Sheikh Mohammed to bid for manure. Hope this one isn't true, given our Emirates connection.

Warrior
April 24, 2005

And Niall is even around - Ooops - Yet ...

Eskimo
April 24, 2005

Just swore. 'Hooligan language romoved' - teehee!

Bunyip
April 24, 2005

Have a poke around the place, see if you cna break it in any way - you can assign avatars etc thru the my controls panel - PM users thru teh messages area directly, or do any host of other things, feel free to play with things and ask if you dont understand how something works and cant work it out. Let us know (Probably thru that board rather than this one at the moment ) if you find any problems. Bunyip.

Eskimo
April 24, 2005

Hey this is fun. What else can I test out for you guys?

Eskimo
April 24, 2005

Yep, that worked! Cheers.

Warrior
April 24, 2005

Hi Eskimo - I think if you're logged in, you can multipost and it should automatically merge your posts for you - neatens it up nicely ..

Bunyip
April 24, 2005

Thats part of the antispam features - you can click the edit post button on your last post though and add to it. (at least you should be able to- let us know if that doesnt appear or work) Bunyip.

Eskimo
April 24, 2005

Warrior - just about to congratulate, but I've just discovered something I don't like! You can't post twice in a row?! So on a boring sunday like this I wouldn't be able to sit here and talk to myself? I'll go mad!

Warrior
April 24, 2005

Hehehe - I'm pretty certain all those names will line up for all those people and be reserved for them indefinately. Most of those names are legends in these here parts ... Rog ..

Eskimo
April 24, 2005

Warrior - could I steal all those names and then hold them to ransom?! How much do you think people would pay to get their names back? Mwah ha ha ha!...as you can see, another sunday, another day of boredom.

Eskimo
April 24, 2005

Ahh, Arsenal U-18s beating the scum 7-1 yesterday. Let's hope the seniors can match that!!! PTBAG as always.

Warrior
April 24, 2005

Hey gents - I thought the following users would be all over the new forum like a rash ! *** - Truegooner, Wirral, US Martin, Steve Martin, Sabir, Romford Gooner, Richie, NorthBank Mural, Mee, Juliano, GunGun, Goonerguru, Fred, Exhiled, EEG, Dormouse, DHD, Decaf, Daz, Davem, Chocolate Gooner, Chippys Chisler , CanonBalls, American, Alex - ***** - You know - stuff like registering their names *first*, Setting Avatars, Testing the limits of the naughty word filter, Emailing back and forth, Entering in the first bad jokes, hassling Chelsea fans - It be a shame if Tom Dean were to try and take all those nice names - Warrior ...

Eskimo
April 24, 2005

Warrior - Everything seems fine, although we'll obviously have to get used to some things, but I just registered and when registering I ticked the 'remember me' feature, but I don't seem to be remembered! It's still asking me to log on. Help?

Warrior
April 24, 2005

I made it even easier to post on the new forum now - click the LARGE "Enter message button" then enter your post, then click the "Post it" button below that (or CTRL-S)

Warrior
April 24, 2005

Hi Bored - You posted on the new forum and it is showing on the new forum - the old forum is still functioning the way it always has for the time being. - Rog

Bunyip
April 24, 2005

They are seperate from each other - never will be joined - we are loadtesting and getting feedback on the new one, before swapping ovre to it fully. Bunyip

Eskimo
April 24, 2005

Bloody hell, what's going on? Have Southampton got ten men?

Bored
April 24, 2005

I just posted on the new forum but it hasn't shown up on this one. Whats that all about then Guv?

Bunyip
April 24, 2005

Hi Bernard, It's really not that different. You type your message and click the " add reply" button. As I said to Old Man of Hoy on the other forum, If your not familiar with things ( smiles attachments etc) theres no requirement that you have to use them ( just ignore them like an annoying Chelsea supporter ). The ONLY buttons you really need worry about are the "enter message" button, and the add reply button. Depending upon the people who participate, emotes (the smile things) are able to be removed ( or added to ) and can include other images instead. They dont necessacarily have to remain the ones there ( or remain on at all ) As for the old forum, basically it required thqat one person, read and moderate the entire forum, and correct EVERY SINGLE problem. Steve did this himself, however, the problem with that system is the same problem thats been experienced over the last few months ( as his health worsened, and since ) whereby should that person not be available to keep things under control, then problems become very difficult to be addressed, and fixed, and everyone who reads the forum is forced to suffer with them ( eg multiple posts of foul language by individuals being annoying ) The main strength of this eway is that no matter what may come, that the task of administrating the forum and keeping it trouble free can easily be split amongst a number of individuals, and where one of those becomes no lnger available, that others can easily be inserted to help as needed. As both Warrior and I have said in our posts, we are testing this system and working on addressing everyones concerns, however there comes a point where the majority and also practicality dictate how things work in the end. to reply - click the enter message button ( any of them) type your message in the big white box, scroll down the page a little bit and hit the white buttons that says "Add Reply"......... Bunyip

Bernard
April 24, 2005

Rog, I'd taken the add reply button to be for people who wanted to reply to my message - if I'd ever had worked out how to post it.

Warrior
April 24, 2005

Hi Bernard - Just click "Enter message" then in the white box under "Enter your post" type in what you wish - then below that, click "Add reply" I added your reply already - Rog ..

Bernard
April 24, 2005

Look, I went on the new one to post the message I put in speechmarks below, but could work out how to post it - Niall will confirm I'm not exactly the most technically literate person in the world. Can it please be made easier. Anyway, the message I was trying to post was this: "I have to agree with Old Man of Hoy, I'm finding this really confusing and much more complicated to use. There are improvements like the spell check (Daz's problem with Cannon Balls might be eradicated), but the pictures that are appearing make it look more like the infantile AWIMB, where so many idiots post pathetic smilies to cheapen that forum (albeit the threads it uses are even more annoying). The beauty of the old forum was its ease of use, and I'm seriously beginning to wonder if that's on the point of being lost. I'm not against change, but change can sometimes make things worse, and I believe that has to be firmly remembered."

Danger
April 24, 2005

On Sol, he has been a rock for us since his arrival, winning 2 cups and 2 titles. However, this has been his worst year by far, as a result of injuries and poor form. My opinion is that he should not be brought back at this point as the Toure/Serendos partnership has been the best partnership this year with respect to not conceeding. I believe it would be silly to change a winning formula until it proves to not be working. If it aint broke, why fix it? Further, Senderos seems to be growing with confidence each game and it would be silly to mess with this, as he seems to be a future leader. A month ago, we were all saying we need a new central defender, but looking at Serendos' progress, we may be able to strengthen the squad in other areas without adding another centre half, having Pascal as 4th choice and Hoyte and Gilberto as further cover.

Cannon Balls
April 24, 2005

The Reyes situation is becoming intriguing in that with Henry out, and we do not know for how long, scoring goals rather than conceding them is now the problem. True we have won games recently,other than the Celsea one, but just by the odd goal mainly and the keeping of clean sheets a'la GG. RVP's contribution in the games against Blackburn leauge and FA Cup have been great.On the other hand Reyes contibutions overall poor.In the Cup Tie at Sheffield when he was the main striker we required a penalty shoot-out to go through.One game follows another of lackadasisical ineptitude from Reyes,we are informed that AW does not choice RVP because he is 'inconsistant', well Reyes himself is consistent at not scoring goals or assisting others in doing so.At least those charges cannot be leveled at RVP.There is an air of the the Jeffers about look about Reyes we were assuared by some that old 'wing-nut'would come good, he did eventually in the reserves at Charlton. The question is can we with the vital games coming up afford to speculate on Reyes returning to form?,if indeed he is even out of it to begin with,perhaps he should be judged on his performanes overall since at Highbury and not a few selective ones long ago.

North Bank Mural
April 24, 2005

Many thanks for your constructive response laxative, is it not a little strange to live alone in your pretentious world of pseudo-intellectual superiority? In your opinion my posts are boring, I can live with that. It's a nice day here in Bucks so I am going out to enjoy it with friends, how about you? I await a pompous reply!!

Jerry Springer
April 24, 2005

AW says on teamtalk that Gerrard is not a target for Arsenal because competing with Chelsea would be too expensive... is this a cover up? - does he have lots of money but he wants to push chelsea away so he can go for Gerrard more easily? Or do we genuinely not have enough money to go for someone of Gerrards calibur - every player we want is also linked to manchest or chelsea... Come on Wenger dont pussy out!!

Daz
April 24, 2005

Mornin' cobber. You're right that chocolate is on the money. He's on a gleaming two bob coin, newly embossed with the head of a muppet. First, Sol has been a fantastic player for us. In the first season he has struggled with injuries and form, we have chocolate gooner (who has always insisted - contrary to all the evidence - that Sol "ain't world class") telling us that his injury was fortuitous. Now, that might be acceptable if the same chocolate gooner wasn't always shrieking at people for "scapegoating" players or "doubting Wenger" and offering the opinion that other players (Reyes for example) should be allowed to play their way back into form. For ages - and again contrary to all the evidence - we were told that Cygan was one of the top 5 CBs in the country. My posting on this isn't motivated by my utter cotempt for chocolate, his posturing, his plagiarism, his petty snobbery or the finger-wagging of a so-called "expert". Well not only motivated by that. Chocolate's totally hypocritcal and characteristically spiteful position on Sol is motivated by the fact that he isn't "culturally sophisticated" enough. And for that you can read that he "ain't French". It just seems to me odd that 'scapegoating' is only bad when applied to players that chocolate approves of and that, therefore, he is a rank hypocrite.

Bunyip
April 24, 2005

Click Enter message button. Type in your message - Click Submit Button. ( Only real difference is the size of the Enter message button ) Or scroll All teh way to teh bottom of the page ( hit your End button on your keyboard ) Type your message and hit Add reply. All the rest of the things are purely if you want to format up your text differently. Bunyip.

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