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POSTINGS:
Richie
April 17, 2005
Looks like there was more to RVP's collision with Todd's elbow than I first thought. On the first viewing and in real time it looked like an accident. It would seem that the FA might like a second look at it.
Man About Town
April 17, 2005
Tom Dean - you are obviously fixtated with the great and mighty Arsenal and just can not leave this site alone. I know as a Chelsea kiddie you are severely starved of success (probably also in your personal life too) but why don't you just **** off back to your little Chelsea world. Can't you see that you are a laughing stock - you haven't beaten us in the league for 10 years - what sort of record is that? Jeez, you guys are so embarrasing I almost feel sorry for you.
DaveM
April 17, 2005
Senderos, Cesc and VP should be the spine of the side right now. And there are so many others. I wonder if there has been a side in the last few decades with as many potentially world class players in the 17-21 age band? Maybe Ajax? I even notice Ryan Garry is nearly fit. He was just as exciting a propect as Clichy was a couple of years back before his injury nightmare. But we won't win the league this year, and if Wenger doesn't make better use of the talent he has we won't win it next year either. Beating Chelsea at their place would be rather sweet though.
US Martin
on a mate's computer
April 16, 2005
Senderos , Cesc and VanPersie are the spine of Arsenal in four years time - wonderful to a man today, and joined in that by Vieira, Toure, Pires, Gilberto, and Lauren - in Fact a wonderful team effort at all ends when you knew it would be like this and that fat f**k Dunn would let it be like this. So proud of the boys today, especially for not letting Blackburn and Dunn's looking away from their tactics get to them, even to the end with Todd who CLEARLY raised his forearm and he crossed Robin and elbowed him deliberately. I don't think the injury was intended (he meant to just elbow him in a niggly unsporting manner, not seriously injure him) Great job today. Now let's take the Cup and ideally deny the druken scot any joy this year, and let's see what happens Wednesday and WHEN we win as we SHOULD, see if the romans can hold it together....Come On Double...COME ON ARSENAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Martin
April 16, 2005
DaveM I don't think Arsenal fans appreciate how good Arsenal players are full stop... RVP was getting it in the neck... Many said play Senderos, then he was played, then he was not good enough, now he is the business... 50 games lost 6, scored 103 goals...
goonerguru
April 16, 2005
Excellent result and not just for us but for football as well,Andy Gray was a disgrace,how can a supposed unbiased football pundit condone that type of thuggery in the disguise of football,Paddy who was man of the match by a mile was given a right going over by the BBurn hooligans and I will be surprised if he plays Wednesday,Two of the sweetest goals by VPersie,long live the new DB10,will the video panel ban Tod for a vicious assault on him after his second goal,I doubt it,VPTBAG.
Steve Martin
April 16, 2005
Also, if an Arsenal player had done what the blackburn player had done to RVP, Gray and Tyler would have thrown the noose round his neck... 3-0 they got off lightly
DaveM
April 16, 2005
Forgive me for getting over-excited, but VP is going to be some player. Actually he already is some player. He's really grown up this season - the evidence has been there for the last month or so. I wonder if he's reached the 'Senderos threshold' - the point where it's obviously stupid to leave him out. I think Wenger is actually getting worse with his use of subs - VP should have replaced Bergkamp at least 10 minutes earlier than he did. I thought Vieira and Toure had excellent games. Reyes was invisible and Bergkamp made mistake after mistake. Pires had a mixed game. Gilberto did better as Blackburn tired. Ljungberg was predictably awful. Injured or not, that's exactly the sort of performance I was expecting. Lauren and Cole were ok, Lehmann played well. Senderos has some trouble with offsides, but generally had a good game. Aliadiere looked excellent for the couple of minutes he was on. Cesc didn't have his best game, but he got forward well and had a few efforts on goal. Losing Ljungberg is a real boost before the Chelsea game. The fact Vieira is playing well is also excellent news. Senderos appears dominant in the air, so it will be intersting to see how he deals with Drogba. If we want to win we should start with VP and Aliadiere - their pace and movement will unsettle any defence. I don't think most Arsenal fans appreciate how good Aliadiere can be, because of his injuries and the fact he played in two games last season where we were awful as a team. He is a complete striker - pace, movement, can run at players, finishing off both feet and with his head, very good link up play. If he can stay fit he'll become one of the best in the world. He and VP are an extremely exciting partnership. Our young players are amazing - it's not a risk to start with them, it's a risk to start without them. I thought Blackburn did a good impression of Bolton, which was entirely predictable. I didn't think we covered ourselves in glory at all times. In particular the silly bookings we picked up (although Cesc was incredibly unlucky) and the 45 pass move. If we'd lost after that we'd never have lived it down. Still, today was a good day.
Steve Martin
April 16, 2005
Richard Keys before the Game, Arsenals only hope of winning silverware this season... Would you just not love it if Cheslea collapsed and we won the double... I still believe if we beat cheslea we will win the league... 50 years will make the panic, the run in they will give it up...
Wengerknows
April 16, 2005
There is being bad at your job and there is being a clueless twat in life. Steve Dunn today was a clueless twat, end of! Abominable refereeing. Before the break, Dickov tries to end Senderos' career - almost a carbon copy of RVN's foul on Cole last season - and absolutely no foul, no card, zip. Some other twat leaves his studs up on Lehman nothing. Savage leaves his stud marks on Cesc's shinpads - nothing. Van Persie damn near got his head taken off by a blatant elbow, no caution, nada?#@*@*!!! Where do they find these joke referres? Really, it was WWE standard today. Well, still E*G Blackburn got what they deserved in the end - nothing! Well done Van Persie. Sure made the most of his opportunity today. That's the way to get ahead.
US Martin
still using other PCs when I can
April 16, 2005
No need to leave anything on thre pitch Wednesday now. A win and with Chelsea resting players ahead of the semis for three or even four matches, they will drop points for sure. The re-arranged fixture with the scum mancs might be their best bet for a win, as if the mancs go through to the final Ferguscum will play reserves against the romans, and with Mike riley reffing now, the betting houses are paying out all ManUre bets already. Our toughest matches left are home to s***s and Liverpool. the scum s***s have been VERY cooperative with us actually on these occasions(Our clinching at s***e hart lane in 71 and 04, as well as huge wins late in 99 and 02)and Liverpool will still either be looking to the Champions League Final(good on Liverpool for whatever they achieve but it is not the European Cup if you fininsh fourth in your League, sorry) or drained from the semi-final. If we win Wednesday we CAN still WIN the League. Long odds, but hardly impossible IF we win. I suspect Wenger still believes that privately, too. I believe we CAN if not WILL. It's down to Wednesday and I never bet against Arsene Wenger even if I'm not always happy with his tactics...Come on Double(I'll say it till they pry the trophy from my cold, dead hands...)...COME ON ARSENAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom Dean
April 16, 2005
go and bum in bernards bed!!!!!!!!!!!
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Danny
April 16, 2005
Tom Dean: Champions Leauge might be chelsea's but the champions league is AC Milans. Watch your boys confidence peel away after we beat you on wednesday, i wouldn;t be too surprised to see Fulham take a point off you and then its wobbly bum time. Still if you win the title you will only be one behind huddersfield town so don't get too excited eh Tom.
Steve Martin
April 16, 2005
From the BBC web Site report A poor semi-final saw more bookings than goalscoring chances in front of a disappointing below-capacity crowd" sorry I saw the Arsenal end packed to the refters, and Arsenal tried to play football... Perhaps the way Blackburn play has a lot to do with why they had only 15.000 fans there...
Young Gunner
April 16, 2005
Well I gues you are right that THIS season Chelsea is onto a greater glory but that's most likely because u've got unlimited cash(a little unfair to the competition but that's life..just don't get too conceited bcoz of that) to snap up players at premium price and flaunt them at ur opponents..and their players alike ^^..bt we'll be back next season!!
tom dean
April 16, 2005
You morons getting excited about nothing you were uselesss in the first half and Champions Leauge is CHEALSEA'S!!!!!!!!
david.d
April 16, 2005
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS......what a cameo by van persie. the first was a absolute beauty...fantastic skill and clinical finish. the 2nd a lovely measured strike. the boy has talent , no doubt about that. lets go back and take that cup!!!
Andy Green
April 16, 2005
Two great goals by RVP.Todd was out of order.Roll on Wednesday
Young Gunner
April 16, 2005
Seems like Van Persie is gonna be a good player for Arsenal with good movement and finishing ability...what a sweet left foot he has, and someone who's not afraid to take 1st time pot shots...just what we needed in the team that's occasionally a little too addicted to over-elaborate passing ^^..
RobbensGoodRobbensGoodRunningDownTheWing
April 16, 2005
Congrats 8-)
Richie
April 16, 2005
3-0 Final score. Pires and VP with 2. A solid performance. Blackburn tried to kick us off the park but the quality shone through in the end. Another final to look forward to. Well done Arsenal.
Richie
April 16, 2005
3-0 Great build up and shot by Van Persie. Collided into Todd after scoring. It was accidental but looked a bit nasty.
Richie
April 16, 2005
2-0 Sublime piece of skill by Van Persie (on for DB10). A few mins left.
Richie
April 16, 2005
After a bright start after half time, we have have gone off the boil a bit. Really need to put this game to bed and get that 2nd goal. Blackburn are sensing an equaliser. We look comfortable at the back but one mistake could cost us. Savage by name, Savage by nature. Tosser.
Steve Martin
April 16, 2005
We have three bookings to Blackburnms four, and Blackburn are deliberatley kicking lumps out of us...
MEA
April 16, 2005
Kiwipete - Try the audio on the bbc. Normally you can only get it if in UK, but it seems to be working today!
Steve Martin
April 16, 2005
Andy Gray says as Arsenal have free kick right and end of first half "this will be a kick in the teeth if Arsenal score here" Why Andy? either you just don't like Arsenal winning or your a fan of ultra boring rough house tactics football... There are fouls and fouls, all Blackburns deserve bookings... Football will be the winner if Arsenal win as Blackburn would not change their style for the final, whats the point in winning if you have to play like Blackburn are, surely, even the players must want to actually play...
Richie
April 16, 2005
1-0 Pires from a tap in. Good work by Toure. The ref is has lost the plot. Far too lenient on Blackburn. Some of the challenges have been shocking. We knew it wasn't going to be pretty but Blackburn are just taking the piss with some of the tackles. First 30 mins or so very stop start and little fluency. Full marks to the team for keeping their cool, especially Vieira who has taken the brunt of the fouls. Blackburn are a F disgrace. Now they have to try and play some football. Reyes has had one or two bright moments but really should have scored just before we did take the lead. Some neat passing let Reyes in with just the gk to beat but there was no conviction in the shot. Would keep the team as it is but can see Fab coming on at some point. The FA really must re-think this idea of having all the semi's at Wembley from next year. It's farcical.
kiwipete
April 16, 2005
Changed from the boring mundane BBC to the Sporting LIfe and we scored.
Steve Martin
April 16, 2005
Just heard we scored, seems like no more than Blackburn deserve, play football like they are and you get everything you deserve... Thompson should be off the pitch, refs got no bottle... I hate this 4-5-1 tactic, it's ruining the game...
RobbensGoodRobbensGoodRunningDownTheWing
April 16, 2005
40mins in and blackburn have made 15 fouls !
kiwipete
April 16, 2005
Reading the BBC text doesn't seem much excitement. Overview of the match anyone?
Steve Martin
April 16, 2005
Well almost 30 minutes gone, glad I never paid to go to Cardiff... If that is the future of football that Blackburn are playing then it can no longer claim to be the beautiful game... We may win, but another 60 minutes of watching them defend, maybe 90 minutes, it's just not worth my time... If it goes to pens, they will have 8 men on the line...
robbensgoodrobbensgoodrunningdownthewing
April 16, 2005
Yes that is exactly what i mean.
Juliano
April 16, 2005
Robben...-whatch your ankles... you mean, like Xabi Alonso should have done when Lampard broke it?
Cannon Balls
April 16, 2005
If the days of 'major' Fa Cup upsets are over then how come Millwall got to the Final last season???. Another piece of bombastic clap-trap from the king of gunge, Nigel Knowall Gungunge-Gunfire and this that and the other. I have told you before pal try engaging your tiny brain before casting your words of wisdom(sic) before us. Blackburn are a Premiershipp side anyway not a lower division one, so if they do win the match it would not be a giant killing feat,you do post some nonsense give it a rest a you silly littleman. Leicster when O'Neil was there beat us on a penalty shoot-out a few years back, i know i was there; stick to posting about defending at least we can all have a laugh out of reading that nonsense.Come on you Gunners!!!
RobbensGoodRobbensGoodRunningDownTheWing
April 16, 2005
Lookin forward to todays game , being honest i hope BBurn turn you over but think you are too good !
Watch ya ankles though as BBurn are Dirty as **** !
Good luck 8-)
GunGun
April 16, 2005
Lets face it...the days of major Cup upsets seem to be over.
The big boys are too professional. Of course, this is the biggest day in the lives of the Blackburn players so we must expect passion from them but nothing else. I daresay it must be difficult for Vieira, Gilberto and some others to get overly excited about the cup. Afterall, they are World Cup winners and the FA Cup seems pretty trivial theses days. But we must still be grateful this season if we win it. Not bad to win only the Cup in an off season and the PL and CL when you are having a good season. Which we will next season!
Ray
raymondlyc@yahoo.com.hk
April 16, 2005
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! GOOD LUCK LJUNGBERG.
Maurice
April 16, 2005
The lads are better focused now, and should not let us down. I think we should win this one easily. Blackburn, try as they might, is still an also-ran team. I foresee a Viera and Gilberto led centre midfield that will boss them around. Senderos would stand out again to marshall the defence. My guess is a 2-0 first half lead. We might sneak one more in the second, or get into the final at 2-0.
AmericanGooner
April 16, 2005
GunGun, its not a very exciting story. I was working overseas in a company with a few expat Brits in Asia about a decade ago, starving for gridiron and basketball. Went with them to the pub (they were Chelsea fans, west London public school guys mostly, I almost became....gulp..a Blue because of them!!!) and over the months got into the sport (as my understanding of it got better). Anyway, to this day, and I can't recall the exact game but Arsenal were playing, losing 1-0, had a man sent off but still fought on bravely. I admired the fight in them. I also thought the red card was not a red card and they were cheated. They lost that game but I found my club. I didn't know a thing about Arsenal (I was still fairly new to the sport) and I thought we were some small club in the English countryside. I found about our rich tradition later on. When I came back to the states I found I missed watching them and footie in general and found a pub near me. I was and am the same about my childhood teams here in the states. I may not always be right, but I am always passionate, whether its a passion for life, love or Arsenal (and I wouldn't say the aforementioned were exclusive of each other...lol..;-).
Cannon Balls
April 16, 2005
I saw the interview with Wenger on Sky this afternoon and his comments that Henry would miss the Semi and perhaps the Chelsea one also were ambigious. He said that a scan would be done on the thigh strain and it could need a few days treatment. Nothing in the statement that Henry would definitely miss the Chelsea game or Sol either. So i would not rule them out it could be a slight problem and AW might not in what will be a somewhat physical game want to risk agrovating the injury. Henry to my recollection always misses or never starts in semi- finals and never plays in the earlier rounds either. We will beat Blackburn if we match their agression early doors and then get our passing game going like in the away Premiership at Ewood Park. Wengers challenged Reyes to step into Henrys place and produce,he must be fully fit by now and rested, so there can be no excuses, i don't even mind him scoring first even though i have backed Freddie to do that, well it's only money!. And getting to the final is the main thing.
GunGun
April 16, 2005
American Gooner. How did you become a Gunners fan? Have you ever told the story? It must be interesting. I admire how you manage to keep the passion so far away and in a non-footballing environment. Well done. I think Arsenal can only win against Blackburn. All Rovers will have to offer is the boot and if the ref likes that....well that is their only chance. Football-wise they have not got the smallest chance and they know it. There were some ugly scenes in the final minutes when we played them at Ewood Park a couple of weeks ago and I am sure we will see more trouble on the pitch. Arsenal to cruise. It is just an anti-climax that it is in Cardiff. It is like playing the CL home games at Wembley.
Brazil 70
April 16, 2005
If we are as good as we think we are, Arsenal should be confident & determined that we will do what it takes to WIN tomorrow.It is now our Champs league final,the biggest single game of the season & we have the incredible good fortune to be playing a bunch of hardworking journeymen who lose more than they win.If we match them for effort then there can only be one winner (unlike other big teams who have work ethic & skillful players).If however we lose,then there is something seriously lacking in this team's mental make up.In my view there would be no acceptable excuses for us not getting to the final (especially as Mike Riley is reffing the other semi).
AmericanGooner
April 16, 2005
I saw Inter's sanctions. I don't think its harsh. Had that been an English club in an English stadium, the hammer would have fallen a lot worse. If it was a one off type of situation in Italy, I'd be okay with the sanction but its not. Its pervasive and chronic and the Italian authorities don't seem to have the stones or desire to do anything about it, so you have to hit them where it hurts. The wallet. Roma and Lazio had the same type of things happen in their derby. Inter should have been hit with a 1 year ban that would commence if/when they qualify again, which would probably be next season. That would send a message to the other Italian clubs to get it sorted. **** Everyone says tapping up players happens and always has and always will happen, the penalties dont seem to stop it. I'd send a message by making Chelsea ineligible to go after Ash for the duration of his contract and no other Arsenal player 1 season and a fine as well.
AmericanGooner
April 16, 2005
We must have Bergkamp. For a few reasons at least. One, he's got the big game experience, second he's got the skills to unlock a 5 player wide midfield and third, Blackburn will probably kick us to death and Aliadiere is injury prone, van Persie still has some anger management issues and it will take a level head to do the job. I'd partner Bergkamp with Reyes up front, Pires on the left to start with. **** I could almost hear the collective sounds of glee from Chelsea fans and pseudo Chelsea fans after news went out about Henry possibly missing Wednesday's game.
DaveM
April 16, 2005
Henry isn't being saved - why would we do that? The league has obviously gone, and there is a four day gap between the games. It won't surprise you to know that I think Aliadiere and VP should be tried together (6 goals in the last 2 reserve games, with VP setting up Aliadiere on, I think, four occasions). VP seems to be becoming more creative, which is a good sign if we want him to genuinely replace Bergkamp.
Wirral Gooner
April 16, 2005
I also experienced that small brick yard before the turnstiles at WHL. It was a game at the end of the 1984 - 1985 season. we won after greame roberts missed a pen. It was only a small Arsenal crowd at that game but the crush in that yard before the turnstiles has always stayed with me.by the way i must thank the gooner, who on that night dragged me away from an area in our end under attack from coins thrown from the shelf. i was young and a bit green, did not know what all these things zinging about my ears were. when i turned around there was not a gooner within 10 yards of me, just a hand grabbing my arm and dragging me to safety.
DaveM
April 16, 2005
Still pretty worried about tomorrow. Blackburn will play 5 tacklers in midfield, who will press us for most of the game. In response Ljungberg, Gilberto, Vieira, Pires only boasts 1 tackler. I'm not convinced that midfield is a great passing unit either. Bergkamp and Reyes have disappeared in plenty of games, so it could be really tough. On the other hand we have the talent, the pitch is big, and Lauren shouldn't be exposed for once. I'll take any win though. Style would be a welcome bonus.
Wirral Gooner
April 16, 2005
I heard on R5L that Th14 would miss wednesday as well. so Gun Gun,you may be correcton this one. The reliance on TH14 is crazy. I believe he has played more games this season than A smith and rooney combined.but even without him we can win tomorrow.Come on you reds.
Wirral Gooner
April 16, 2005
Exiled, just read your post about modern. you could be right. but what if your memory includes history told to you first hand by a loving relative (also a gooner), does that not remain modern even though it was many years before a person was born. The teams of HC, GA and TW are all history but still immediate. They mean as much to me as those of BM and GG. I still contend it is our history that makes us special. by the way as much wishful thinking as possible will still not allow us to catch chavski. so if TH14 and Sol are in any way fit they should play in the semi. but they wont because Aw thinks we can beat them without our best player. we are not a one man team but neither was the great HC team that rested players and lost at Walsall in the 1930's. It is a semi, you must put out your best team.
GunGun
April 16, 2005
I doubt Henry is being saved for Wednesday. And I`m not looking forward to Aliadiere ...that game against ManU has too many frustrating memories. I cannot remember him going past the defender once. ***Why did Kluivert go to Newcastle and not to a proper club where he could be put to some use?
AmericanGooner
April 16, 2005
According to some of the posts, it appears the consensus is Henry is being saved for Wednesday or are the posts just joking? Seeing that this is our only chance for trophies I'd think we'd play our strongest XI. A draw at the Bridge will still leave us in 2nd and Man Yoo still has to play Chelsea as well.
Phil
April 16, 2005
well spotted last night Ben, Moutinho is being touted as the next great thing in Portugal and along with the kid manuel Fernades at benfica would be two great signings, my only concern about Moutinho is his lack of goals, his creativity and skill is incredible though - and anyone who compares Portugal to Scotland doesn't know what they are talking about - when was the last time a Scottish club won the Champions League and anyone watching week in week out as I do becaus eof my family connections will realise how skillful the players at Sporting, Benfica and Porto are along with Braga, Boavista, Guimarense there are at least 6 clubs who are capable of turning over the top three and it has happened quite a few times this season, Sporting also gave Newcastle a football lesson last night and also won at a canter against Middlesborough.
Romford Gooner
April 16, 2005
I too was at Highbury on the day of Hillsboro and the early rumours were that the Forest fans had charged at the scousers resulting in the tragedy that followed. I recall watching the news that night saying that I would never go to another match again, this lasted for about a week. It's a desperately sad subject and I've always felt that the copper in charge was very lucky to get away without a custodial sentence. Even though it was clear what was happening in front of him he wouldn't open the gates because he thought they were hooligans. Pathetic. Somebody mentioned a crush at the Lane and I recall a few occasions standing in the potential death trap that was the Park Lane and thinking my god this is it. I wonder if a similar tragedy happens in an all seater stadium what the Government will do?? Can you imagine everybody having to get out of all seating areas in a hurry, I can and it isn't pretty.
James - Copenhagen
April 16, 2005
Hillsboro: I was in the North Bank and we were playing Newcastle, I think we won but when the anoraks with their tranies started whispering that there was trouble at Hillsboro, things blur. I don't remember any booing but a nodding respect that there but for the grace of God, go I/we. I was in Landsdowne Road when Ireland won their first Triple Crown of recent times (my generation) and regards the push, I don't honestly know how there were no casualities. I was also at Dalymount when Italy visited and that was utter kaos, with the FAI having grossly under estimated the interest in seeing the Italians with a resultant push where the Guards ordered the gates be opened to ease the congestion. Typically Irish, the wits relaid the game to those who couldn't see with flowery language but again the potential of a nightmare, with hindsight, defies belief. Enjoy each day and give thanks.
Roast Beef
April 16, 2005
So AW is resting Tel for the game at the bridge then. Can't say I blame him, it's just a bit unusual that he released it so early. Don't we normally find that tel isn't playing the day of the semi ?
Roast Beef
April 16, 2005
EEG the Arse game is on at 4:00 AM (residential cable and PPV), the Manc game is on Sunday 6:00 AM on PPV only at pubs (cock and bull etc.) Pity you couldn't drive south down the 5 freeway for 90 mins Sunday, as at "Roasty Mansions" I have the game on with a full english and lagers a plenty via dodgy canadian satellite. Safe trip.
AmericanGooner
April 16, 2005
It won't be easy but I certainly think we can win the tie and should still be considered favorites. I'm expecting someone to step up. My fear is Blackburn packing the midfield and we'll need our flair players to find space. This may be a game in which Pires, Bergkamp (if he's healthy?) and Fabregas become most important. If we have gone an hour or so without a score, I'd expect to see Fabregas substituted on to carve out a pass. I'd also keep Quincy on the bench. Guile and creative passing may be what will ultimately win us this game. **** I don't think its a plot to keep Henry fresh for Wednesday. In my humble opinion Wenger has sacrificed the FA cup in the past. Not often but he has. The most notable being the quarter final at Old Trafford in '03. We left Henry and Bergkamp and I think Silva at home as well. We got out of it with a 2-0 win (Edu and Wiltord), I recall Giggs missing an open sitter that would have changed the game. The Chelsea ame is big but only for belief purposes. We can win it and it won't change the league standings at the end of the season. If it was Man Yoo this many points ahead we'd all have crowned them champions but since Chelsea haven't done it before there is that little bit of hope. I certainly hope they collapse but its not likely. I thought once they got past February it would be basically theirs. Hope springs eternal though.
Decaf
April 16, 2005
Exiled, don't think I have anything against hoofing it. Campbell is an exponent of the non-science. But I think Terry is better at it. I also approve of the occasional hoick in the general direction of goal, either with direct intent or vaguely hoped as a "pass". There is nothing like a complete fluke, with our without deflection, to warm the cockles; and if Henry were't back defending, he would get on the end of quite a few hopeful long balls. I'm all for a bit of plan B.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 16, 2005
EEG - you'll have to put that down to bad phrasing by me. I meant 'why' in the broader social context rather than specific to Hillsborough.
AmericanGooner
soi_eight@yahoo.com
April 16, 2005
East End Gooner, I've been to both Cock 'N Bull and Fox & Hounds. Your hotel is closest to Fox & Hounds. Very short cab drive. Should take 5-10 minutes tops. Fox & Hounds is owned by a Gooner, Gary, he used to play for QPR. Cock 'N Bull are owned by scousers, its where I usually go as I live very close to there. Must warn you, the game is on at 4AM!! 7am is Eastern Standard Time and we are in the Pacific, which is 3 hours earlier. The game is on cable television for free on Fox Soccer Channel (Murdoch's footie channel). You may be better off going to Fox & Hounds by taxi. You can e mail me if you wish and I will be more than happy to help in any way that I can. My cel (mobile) to you guys is being serviced but should be up and running in the afternoon. Welcome to LA!
Bernard
April 16, 2005
EEG, what time are you leaving tomorrow? Sensibly later than my 5.00am no doubt.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
Agreed. Now come on Arsenal. Dont make me regret the efforts of tomorrow!
Exiled In Newcastle
April 16, 2005
EEG - couldn't agree more about it being an emotive subject. I'll leave their site to do the talking for me, but I would like to make it clear in case anyone misunderstands that I am not trying to defend, excuse, or condone hooliganism in any way what so ever. One thing we'll no doubt agree on is that they are absolute scum.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
Sorry one more thing that is puzzling me - if "why it happened" is not the point then what are we talking about, what is the website about and why would anyone be looking for justice? Makes no sense. No-one disagrees on what happened.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
Exiled - my final comment on this as it is an emotive issue and one that I dont really want to get caught up on. I studied it some time after the event and some time after the inquiry though it was a while ago. I'd have to check exactly when but as I said I dont know everything. I am not sure my view would change as it is more about the fundamentals. I know there were significant individual errors, piss poor attitudes, conduct based on prejudice and general mismanagement. I also accept there were attempts to cover this though I would expect this. Perhaps my language was slanted in seeming that I was blaming hooliganism exclusively but I think the acceptance of the fans and authorities of the situation and the development of the inherant conflict between fans and the police created the conditions where the things I mentioned above (which are present in pretty much all conduct of public office) were able to result in an incident that killed 96 innocent people.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 16, 2005
EEG - it's naive to say hooliganism was the root cause, or as you put it 'However, for me, those whow carry the biggest blame are those that perpetuated the situation that built up to it over the previous 20 years or so.'. Also, I deliberately said 'probably' ignorant of the real facts, because I think you are. As for 'writing a paper', well when? I ask that because even Lord Justice Taylor was later interviewed and said quite clearly he would have come up with a different set of findings if facts hadn't been witheld from him. Have a look at the site when you can, I don't think you'll have the same opinion after to be honest. And it happening at a football match IS irrelevent in one important way - where and why it happened isn't the point, it's WHAT happened that matters. Please check the site when you can.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
What happened there is entirely BECAUSE it was a football match. You have admitted that your views were the same as most at Highbury on hearing the news. So on experiencing a surge or a rush of fans why do you think your reaction would have suddenly been different and more controlled? A duty of care is to act as the reasonable person in the relevant situation i.e. the reasonable police officer etc. Of course there were significant individual errors but I'd say it would be unusual if people DIDNT try to cover up their errors, especially if people die, and I still find it hard that the real trouble makers have excused themselves over the years and portrayed it as an authorities against fans issue rather than look at what caused the conflict in the first place. I'd day to a police officer looking at a camera, Hillsborough and Heysel probably looked almost identical at the start.
tenbob
April 16, 2005
blackburn will have the same game plan even without henry playing.hurry,niggle and annoy for as long as the ref allows it.if we score in the first half the games over.would not be surprised if they have less than eleven players on at full time.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
Exiled - After I posted I was minded to qualify what I had said as I hadn't been able to see the site (bloked for some reason) and I dont want to be an apologist for people I feel no desire to apologise for. And of course I do not know everything and only have my opinion. However, it is in itself naive and ill-informed to call my comments "naive and ill-informed". I studied the tragedy for a paper running right through the incidents to the media reporting to the inquiry to its causes. Any comment will have its bias but the thought you can ignore it was a football match is utterly ludicrous. Where else but a football match do you have thousands of people crammed standing into a small space? A nightclub maybe - and there have been similar tragedies in nightclubs throughout the World. Where else do you have the police controlling the event as an opposing force? A political rally maybe? Look at the record of problems some of those have experienced.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 16, 2005
EEG - link works for me - maybe it's blocked by your work or something? I don't think it's my place to say what these people are campaigning for in any detail when it's all there. However, I think you're comments are naive and (probably) ignorant of the facts. Forget it happened at a football match because that's irrelevent to (what I believe to be) the manslaughter of 96people that day. The phrase 'duty of care' comes to mind. And yes, I was at Highbury that day and probably sang along. I don't think many were aware of the unfolding events until half time and as you say the obvious assumption was hooliganism (it wasn't that long before that we'd had a bit of a run-in with the mickies). But none of that excuses the total disregard for human life that was shown at Hillsborough. I mean, if there wasn't guilt then why did the authorities attempt to cover up a lot of what happened (including the camera that they claimed 'wasn't working' until the film from it showed up some years later. The whole thing stinks, and blaming hooliganism is just plain wrong.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
I was once in a crush where I thought people were going to be killed at the Lane and there is nothing like the fright of realising there are just too many people in a space and it is getting difficult to breathe. It could have been the Littlewoods semi but something tells me it was a League game. Anyway the police hearded all the Arsenal fans in to a number of turnstiles enclosed in small brick courtyard just off the road. There were about six or seven turnstiles but instead of controlling the numbers entering the courtyard and allowing the queues for the turnstiles they just kept letting people flow in until there were no more queues, just a mass of people with more people squeezing in from the back. Towards the front it was a nightmare and you just had to hope you could get towards a turnstyle and not just crushed against the wall. People were shouting and kids and women were crying. And then we got in and watched the game. Weird really.
Bernard
April 16, 2005
I was at Highbury that day. I'm pretty certain we won, but can't remember who against. Don't remember the scum chant EEG mentioned either, but there again that's not too surprising as I would have been in the East Upper.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
I was at Highbury that day and anyone else who was will remember the chants of "scum, scum, scum" when news came over the public address of a serious incident at the Hillsborough semi. Reprehensible given the later information but the fact that it was the first reaction of proper football supporters shows how, understandably, supporters were perceived at that time. If the authorities involved at Hillsborough were wrong (as they were) then so were so many others, even the fellow supporters, and many would have made the same decisions in the circumstances. That is not to excuse it in any way and those who tragically lost there lives can be seen as nothing but entirely innocent victims. However, for me, those whow carry the biggest blame are those that perpetuated the situation that built up to it over the previous 20 years or so.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
Exiled - I can access the link. I didn't mean to suggest there is a time limit to it, I am just trying to understand what would be seen to be justice? I am no defender of the police at all nor any other authority really but to me this was an instance where society in general and football fans in particular bore the greatest blame. If it were not for the spiralling hooligan problem then perhaps football wouldn't have been in the financial situation it was, stadiums would have been better and police, clubs and other authorities wouldn't have to treat fans like **** culminating in the problems that arose. Of course there were mistakes made but I cant ascribe to those individuals either the required intent nor even uncaring negligence to hold them primarily liable for the final outcome.
bubblechris
April 16, 2005
Hey wats with all the conspiracy theories ;-) My feling is that AW rates 2nd place way above the FA Cup and with this in mind and remembering what happened last season he will be rested. However here's where i disagree with everyone else I think the other reason for this is to give Aliadierre a game alongside RVP. First it wil stop him thinking about leaving, second it will provide us with a Plan B and third do you realise how many goals they have scored between them for the reserves? I cant be bothered to look or check but everytime i look at the reserves results JA has scored a brace or more and RVP was playing alongside him. The only negative to my theory is that I wont get to see them playing against Spuds reserves on Monday night I was looking forward to another hatchet job by our Second team, note i said Second not Reserves. We have a team for the future with some excellent players coming through that haven't cost an arm and a leg. The future is looking good for all the doubters.
steve martin
April 16, 2005
Apert from that Arsene sees second place as more important thatn the FA CUP
steve martin
April 16, 2005
We can beat Blackburn without Henry... We beat Chelsea 8 points in it 5 to go... They Have Fulham, Charlton, Man Utd, Newcastle and Bolton, the last three away... I reckon we beat them and with Liverpool in tow Champs League semi's their bums will be flapping in the wind, we can win it, but we HAVE to beat CHELSEA...
Mee
April 16, 2005
EEG: Surely ‘Arsene Knows’ the title has gone? Either he underestimates Blackburn or he feels the FAC is not the priority that the fans believe it to be. This has got Wrexham written all over it.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 16, 2005
EEG - the thing about justice is their isn't really a time limit on it. www.contrast.org/hillsborough Juliano - fair enough - but we're not going to agree.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
Mee - I think he may have a slight niggle but I dont reckon Wenger sees this as the huge game that I agree with you it is. I reckon he will play Wednesday. I agree the league is gone but I am not certain Wenger does and I am sure he reckons we can beat Blackburn without him comfortably. If it was a European game or a game for the title, he would play as we all know. It is another occasion when his "injury" springs up just before the cup game.
Danny
April 16, 2005
MEE.. Never underestimate the power of denial.
Hope to see Reyes have a blinder tomorrow and since when did we become a one man team?
Hong Kong Gooner
April 16, 2005
Thierry missing is a blow but it's still difficult to see Blackburn scoring, let alone beating us.Thought Reyes was our best player against Boro in the first half last week and it seems that he was substituted because he was injured, rather than for any other reason.He seems to me to be working hard to play himself back into form and he makes mistakes but is not hiding at all, which is a positive.PSV and Liverpool getting to the semi finals highlights the obvious point that the Champion's League cup format works against establishing who are the best teams in Europe.However, I'm not sure that a 16 team league format over a season has much appeal.Imagine how it will be for the teams who know after half a dozen games that they haven't got a chance of winning it.A meaningless home game against Lyons or PSV in February would not have much appeal.On another matter - anyone who thought Chelsea defended well against Bayern must have been watching a different game to me.I thought Bayern were still in with a shout at half time, when they needed to score three goals.
Mee
April 16, 2005
EEG: If you think Henry is not ‘properly injured’ are you suggesting that he is being rested for the Chelsea game? Some posters here are still suggesting that if we beat Chelsea (and thats a big ‘if’) their form will crumble and we might still win the league. I know love is blind, but didn’t realise the myopia extended to football fans. Forget the title, tommorow is our big game.
Cannon Balls
April 16, 2005
One interesting slant on the possible Arsenal v United FA Cup final given on Sky Sports News by a bookmaker is that it will be more popular with the public than the impending Chavs v Car-Thives encounter. Arsenal are 4/7 to beat Blackburn with allegations that the impending game next Wednsday against Palace being more important to Old Sparky than tomorows,so he will not play Savage but Flintcloff who's got 8 sticthes in a leg wound.Talk about walking wounded.Maybe old Sparky is not the only one resting players for a game next week?.Ljunbergs 11/2 to score the first goal,that will do for me. Blackburn are 14-1 out-siders to win the cup.United surprisingly being quoted at only 8/11 ON to beat the Bar-codes. You can get any price you want on Spuds winning the Premiership Title next season, there is more chance of Aliens from outer space landing or Elvis being found alive and working in a Burger-Bar in Cardiff.
tenbob
April 16, 2005
spot on ben,if kluivert had not shown what a lazy dont give a f*** player he is at newcastle,i would have suggested him as bergys replacement
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
Agree Bernard but that is not really the point. If I am getting up before even my lunatic sleep-shunning daughter and driving (or rather being driven) however many miles it is and paying £50-odd quid, I want to see the best players playing the best football. Henry has been on fire lately and while I still think we should win, I cant see us flowing in the same way with the others. And I dont believe he is properly injured either.
Ben
April 16, 2005
Although I think that Reyes long term position will be on the left, when he does play upfront he is definately more of a threat when Henry is not playing. The reason for this could be that he feels less pressure when someone isn't giving him the eyes when he does something poorly, it could be that two fast converted wingers who both like to run at people from deeper positions can not work as a pairing or maybe its something else completely. If you think about the partnerships that Henry has been involved in Wiltord, Van Persie, Reyes, Jeffers, Trezeguet, Cisse, I am open to correction but I would suggest that the only one that worked was with Bergkamp and his success with France came when they played with one main striker and Zidane supporting from infront of two holding midfield players. The manor in which Henry plays makes it very hard to develop a understanding with him, Bergkamp is unique and I think this is the problem with which we now find ourselves, we have set our team up in such a way that we need to find a replacement for Bergkamp and its a near impossible task. Totti is probably the closest thing around but would cost a fortune and I really don't see him living in London, people have suggested Cesc long term which is probably more likely, incidently I watched Newcastle the other night and Moutinho looks like an oustanding prospect as well.
GunGun
April 16, 2005
Gunfire, Cannon Balls is convinced we are the same poster.
How can we help him? He also thinks I am a load of other posters. He also is afraid at night that Abramovic is under his bed. He thinks I am a Chelsea fanatic because I said they had a couple of good defenders. He says a lot of stuff which is rather weird and comes to conclusions which are emotionally-induced. He needs help. I am beginning to feel sorry for this guy.
Juliano
April 16, 2005
Henry out has to be a real blow. We don't have any proper hitman, maybe Reyès or Van Persie, but I see them more as creators than out and out strikers. Same for Bergy. The only one who fits the description is Aliadière but he is so made of glass it's unbelieavable. And he hasn't played top flight football for a while anyway. It will probably be Pirès on the left, Ljungberg on the right, José and Dennis up front then, with Robin replacing his fellow countryman in the 72nd minute :) I remember the old IRC chat days with Steve as Nobby the Moose, everyone was screaming for a substitution and some of the regulars would add "wait 'till the 72nd, we're not there yet".
Bernard
April 16, 2005
I think Henry is the world's best player currently and I accept Blackburn will be tough, rugged opponents. But if we're not capable of beating them tomorrow without him, we can't be half as good as some of us think we are.
tenbob
April 16, 2005
one less head shaking at him when he tries something that doesn't work will benefit him.
Gunfire
April 16, 2005
Cannonbull are you really 52 years of age? I never knew adolesence could last that long or is it a case of severe regression?
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
"has has good"??? What is that all about. Has a good game I suppose I meant. He owes it and Cardiff is the kind of space for him.
Juliano
April 16, 2005
I'm very interested in the new stadium, that is a fact, even though I'd have prefered another design. I find it fascinating to be able to follow the various steps of the construction process. How the buid the cores, the upper tiers, and will probably build the lower ones only when everything else in in place, because they needed the space inside the stadium to put cranes, etc. And anyway, I haven't had any power to change the design so I'd better try to warm up to! I'd still have prefered something less of a bowl, and a unique design, because to be honest though this design seems very efficient, it seems to be a bit of the flavour of the month. The Benfica, Jose Alvalade, Stade de France, even the Reebok and from what I have seen, New Anfield, are all looking like members of the same family. A bit more of Arsenal personality would have been better, with more straight lines, and an up to date redesign of the famous art deco Highbury's East Stand facade would have been top notch.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
Thanks again Wengerknows - if you are on one of your "missions" there - let me know.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
Agree - I dont think Aliadiere will start it is just my nightmare. Just like last year. No football for ages and lo and behold he pops up in one of the biggest games of the season. Also agree about Reyes and I really hope he has has good.
david.d
April 16, 2005
EEG im as p***** off as you . in semi finals you need some one who you can rely on to give you that bit of inspiration. someone the opposition dont like facing and henry is that man. we will just have to beat blackburn without him just as we did a few weeks ago when van persie netted the winner. i think you're wrong about alidiare starting though, think it will be bergkamp and reyes up front. dont know about you about reyes seems to play with more freedom when thierry is missing. line up looks like it will be lehmann lauren toure senderos cole , lgungeberg viera gilberto pires bergkamp reyes. we'll need lynching if we lose even without thierry. COME ON ARSENAL!!!!
Wengerknows
April 16, 2005
EEG, Studio City is separated from Universal City by North Hollywood, 5-10 minutes on the 101/134 Fwy. Santa Monica will be about a 30 minute drive from Universal City, but early on a Saturday/Sunday morning traffic should be light. Good luck. I actually spend less than half the year in L.A. nowadays (I could tell you why, but then I'd have to kill you ^_^) or else I'd be honored to watch with you. Good luck.
Mee
April 16, 2005
The latest developments to new stadium sound good, unfortunately because I work on a AppleMac I can’t get access to Arsenal Plus (video lounge say they have no plans for apple access) and the webcam thing never sems to have the right sort of filter of software for me - is anybody else out there on an Mac?
tenbob
April 16, 2005
agree with eeg about henry being injured for cup games,time for reyes to step up,one less frenchman for him to worry about upsetting.
East End Gooner
April 16, 2005
Wengerknows - Very helpful thanks. I will be spending Friday night at the Hilton in Universal City but then going to see my cousin in Santa Monica so if the timing works out, and I know kick off will be at 7.00 am, I will try the Cock and Bull. Isn't Santa Monica where all the English ex-pats end up? If so, it would be good to watch it with a load of faux Mancs (making assumptions I know). If getting to Santa Monica in time will be a pain I assume Studio City is near Universal City?
Noregian Gooner
April 15, 2005
R.I.P Steve, you did some good work in here! my condolences to the family and everyone who loved Steve!
Bernard
April 15, 2005
Juliano, you're right, you can see the last truss lying on the floor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you not too keen on the stadium design when it was first released? Because it certainly looks like it has grown on you, considering the interest you now show in it now.
Wengerknows
April 15, 2005
EEG. Tons of places to see football in L.A. though a lot of it Latin American. For the Cup Final, if you'll be on the westside try the Cock & Bull at 2947 Lincoln Blvd in Santa Monica (310-399-9696) . In the valley, Fox & Hounds Restaurant, 11100 Ventura Blvd in Studio City (818-763-7976. On the eastside in Pasadena there's Lucky Baldwin's, 17 So. Raymond Ave. (626-795-0652) And there's always the option of watching it at a mate's place, cause it will be on either regular Fox Soccer Channel or pay-per-view which is usually about $20.
JamesLT
Arsenal Live
April 15, 2005
Arsenal Vs Blackburn is live on the German DSF channel for any other gooners exiled in Germany. Come on you Gunners!
East End Gooner
April 15, 2005
Henry out is proper b*****ks. I dont believe it. Is there something in his contract that he doesn't play semis? Nothing wrong with him in the last two games, a nice week's rest and suddenly he is out. I have only ever seen that with Henry and only for cup games. That has ****ing pissed me off big time. In fact, I may just lie in bed tomorrow nursing my injured hamstring. So will we have to endure Aliadiere's annual practice match in an FA Cup semi? By the way - for any West Coast Gooners can you tell me where in LA I can watch Blackburn v United in the final?
Juliano
April 15, 2005
Exiled-Well I admit the use of the word "practice" was probably not spot on. That said, you reckon Vieira doesn't have a great shot, I reckon he has. In my opinion the problem is that he is too reluctant to use it, he will always look at other options first. Someone also posted that Wenger doesn't like his player to practice shooting too much, which could also explain why we rarely hit the target from range in games. Let's face it, the more you try, the more you improve, there is no secret, and I don't have the feeling we're trying enough. That said, I have absolutely no certainties about it. Now my favourite topic, the new stadium : that's it, the primary trusses are all up! Now for the last secondary truss, which can be seen lying on the ground!
Bernard
April 15, 2005
Newcastle must be thrilled that Mike Riley's taking over.
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
Newcastle have seven firrst teamers out and Graham Polls pulled an hamstring so Mike Riley takes over!.You couldn't make it up.
Bernard
April 15, 2005
Mee, though our record in them is good, we did lose last year's. Still think it's a shame about the goalscoring record, he deserves it so much.
Mee
April 15, 2005
Bernard: The goalscoring record can wait, very disappointed to think he’ll miss the Chelsea game, things seem to conspire against him in semi-finals if he’a fit Wenger plays a weakened team and brings him on a sub, and if he is selected he picks up an injury. Tell me I’m wrong but I’ve got a horrible feeling about tommorow, we cant keep winning semi finals.....
Bernard
April 15, 2005
Mee, Arsenal.com also says he may not be able to play at Chelsea either. Could even be out for a few weeks. If so, it seems he might not break Wright's goalscoring record this season then?
Lord Trumpetblower
April 15, 2005
I too was an excellent footballer. I could score, dribble, defend, take 60 yd throw ins, score from corners and was told by everybody I could have been an international keeper. I got my 100m swimming badge and a cub scout badge for making a cup of tea. Some people in life are born with talent, and some poor souls are not.
steve martin
April 15, 2005
Cannonballs, nice to see your on the ball, your points regarding Terry, Tactics deployed by Jose the way they paly says it all... It does not mean Terry is a bad player, just that the Chelsea tactics suit him more than they would if he played for Arsenal or another attack minded side...
Mee
April 15, 2005
Henry out of the semi - I didn’t know about that!
steve martin
April 15, 2005
Clockend, see where your coming from, but we could have ahd, Rooney, Shearer, Defoe, Totti and RVN on the bench to bring on with 20 mins left against Bayern, does not mean they would have scored, your post suggests bring on a forward and HE WILL score the goal you need, if only it were that simple...
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
Vince,i made my comparasions on 'best form' betweeen Vieria v Lampard,Sol v Terry and on that basis not just recent form,which is unfair because both Sol and Pat missed pre-season through bad injuries and have never been 100% where has the other pair have been lucky in that regard. Altough it appears that Terry is injured now after the clash with Scheiwnsteiger when trying to clear under pressure from the German, he made a right pigs ear of it too.You also have to take account of the way that the two sides go about their business in these player v player assements. Terry is not the quickests thing on two legs but he is aided and abetted in this by the defensive tactics employed by Boreinho in that he tries never to leave his defenders exposed sometimes even using two GKS!or so it seems. Would Terry do as well at Highbury under AW's more cavalier and flamboyant approach where he would have to cover more ground against rampaging forwards?. I suggest not. Also Sven uses pragmatic tactics and that also suits Terry, stick him in the Brazilian side and see how he would do there!. Anyway let's see a good display from the team tomorrow,which will set us up for the annual taking of points at the Bridge - where we have not lost since Harold Wilson was Prime Minister.
ClockEndGinger
April 15, 2005
I am not down on our team just now. We have brought on some good young players who will be even stronger next season. But Europe is turning into Wenger's Iraq.
The lack of Campbell, should have come second in the group and then we'd be in the semi argument does makes a certain amount of sense but at the same time smacks of desperation: we have had 7 years of CL failure..We do not seize our opportunities when they are presented to us. Against Bayern we were in a great position with 25 minutes to go and Senderos was dominating at the back. It wasn't Sol we missed, it was a player to step up and get that second goal, as Lampard has been doing for Chelsea. Someone to say, this is MY game. Henry did his bit with a wicked strike so he cannot be blamed; where were the others? It was if, I remember, a fairly uneventful exit. Lee Dixon got it right in this weeks Islington Gazette, when he said we need a striker more than anyother position apart from goalkeeper, somebody bloody minded who will crash in a scrappy goal from four yards because there is only 5 minutes left, like Wright used to do for us, and someone to give that strangely fragile team some belief.
david.d
April 15, 2005
ive read somewhere that we have had nine players out injured all at once. i know we have had campbell , viera , gilberto edu and senderos and to a lesser extent bergkamp out for long periods but nine? can anyone shed some light who else. has it really been nine at once? and not counting suspensions either.
Mee
April 15, 2005
Steve Martin: An excellent point steve and one which is often overlooked. It may be somewhat fanciful to compare the skills, speed etc of amateur football to PL football, but its all relative.
East End Gooner
April 15, 2005
I have criticised our European performances as much as any and I think we would find it tough against Chelsea and even more so Milan but had we lost the group as we should of done we would have been in the semi and had Campbell been fit, and I mean fully fit, we would have beaten Munich over two legs. Small things make the difference. Given the amount of work and blocks he got through, had Terry missed just one leg of the Barcelona or Munich games, Chelsea would have gone out.
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
GG,i am waiting until after Newcastle turn him over on Sunday!.That though after watching the game last night migh be wisful thinking.Anyway i have come around to the school of thoughts way of thinking that says us beating them in the final will more satisfying.i WWill still be rooting for the Magpies though,i just cannot get myself to suport the drunken jock, old habits diehard .
steve martin
April 15, 2005
A little lesson here… I sued to play a lot of football, a very lot of football, played up to Southern Olympian standard, not that high, but quite good… I also played for some poorer teams… Right from playing for my first club as an adult, I learnt that the better the players around you the better you were… I was a very good passer of the ball, dribble well when on the wing and scored hatfuls… I would look up and see the pass, hit it 30 yards into the path of the player I was aiming for, if he was in one of the poorer sides, the likely hood was he would either be too slow or just not realise what a ball was coming his way, yet in the better teams the player you were passing the ball too, was sharp, new it was coming, looking for it, made the ball you were playing easy… When scoring, having players ready to give you the ball, when you had made space was easy in the good sides, but frustrating in the poorer sides… This is why Lampard and Terry are much better this season, Chelsea are much better...
goonerguru
April 15, 2005
Cannon,I noticed in the Sun the headline "Fergies week of hell",Sat,humiliated at Norwich,Sun,Rooney slaps his slapper,Mon,United legends(Macari,Greenhoff Ha Ha)take a swipe at their 4-5-1 formation,Tues,Keane blasts slackers in team,Wed,players blame Queiroz for slump,havent you sent off the Thursday and Friday stories yet.
Bernard
April 15, 2005
Vince, think you've opened the floor for Wirral Gooner.
Vince Ordinaire
April 15, 2005
Sadly, based on this season's form I would pick Lampard before Vieira, and that's something I could not have imagined writing two years ago. Some credit must go to Lampard who has worked very hard to make the most of his abilities and has become a more consistently effective player than I thought possible. It's also got a lot to do with Vieira not being at his best recently, because at his peak he was still miles ahead of any contemporary midfielders. Also, trying to be objective, we can't pretend that Sol has had a good season either, certainly not relative to Terry. On the other hand the omission of Fabregas from the Young Player shortlist is ridiculous and suggests blinkered thinking from the selectors. Someone recently posted that our defensive woes were mainly down to Campbell and Toure's problems this season, then wondered if that was too simple. I don't think it is. Our two main CB's have been palpably weaker than last year. Throw in the keeper issue and the lengthy absence of our most defensive first-choice midfielder and that's got to be enough to explain a great deal of the maiaise. Side-issues such as confidence, team-play, luck and other circumstances cannot be dismissed, but remain side-issues for me when you consider the impact of our woes in four key defensive spots. How could question marks over your goalie and centre-backs plus defensive weakness in midfield not cause enormous problems? Like many others, I am beginning to come to terms with the disappointments and see this season as perhaps a small triumph over adversity, in the way that previous seasons have also represented larger or smaller triumphs. I am also greatly looking forward to next season, whilst holding out strong hope for the Cup and an insane optimism that the league may still somehow land in our lap. Most important to me now is to put Chelsea in their place at the Bridge, and hopefully stuff Manure in Cardiff. If we manage that, perhaps others will agree it would be sweeter to recapture the league in our last season at THOF, than to retain it this season, but say goodbye to Highbury as also-rans. Regarding other teams, I share the general loathing of Manure, Chelscum and S***s and also the slight affection for the likes of City and Charlton. Liverpool are an unusual case for me, because although they are also a big, successful club, I quite like them too. I suspect it's partly because their record shows that they are really the top dogs here rather than the arriviste Mancs and I have a lot of respect for that, but also because of their fans. Unlike the so-called Toon army, who I have found to be completely over-rated muppets on the whole, the Liverpool fans do seem to appreciate good football and have the true spirit of the game at heart. Massive generalisation obviously, but of all the other team's fans the Liverpool ones are the ones that I find admit when they are beaten fair and square, and are always ready to applaud a good goal scored by the opposition. They may be barely intelligible, scally dole-scum, but they have a quality of class that fans of most other teams could not dream of. It's probably just my perception, but I even find their banter to be more just about having a laugh, than other fans whose banter is just a cover for bitterness, hypocrisy and xenophobia. Cue a post from a gooner who's been living in Merseyside for 20 years to tell me that they all really hate Arsenal and I should hate them too.
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
babu, another thing that stands out in the inane ramblings of mad-Nigel-GunGunge-Gunfire, etc, is that all of the preaching and know-all advice about defending, the last one about Greece being a prime-example, coincides with the tactics and way that the Irish National Team Play. What a coincidence, it makes Kenyons ones of running into footballers pale into insignificance by comparasion!.
Bernard
April 15, 2005
Bad news for Eskimo, as reports suggest Birmingham have agreed a deal with Arsenal to take Pennant on a permanent transfer. http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=270179&cpid=8&CLID=3&lid=&title=Blues+agree+Pennant+deal&channel=Premiership
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
Babu,yes i knew it was only a matter of time before Gungunge and Gunfire started to agree great minds and all thator is it just the 'orish in them?> Nigel will be along next after he gets back from running errands for mummy.
Bernard
April 15, 2005
Wirral, you mention the recent disappearance of Chocolate, but have you noted that Daz disappeared around the same time? Perhaps they've gone on holdiday together for a break?
babu
April 15, 2005
Cannon Balls...great posts, and did you notice that gunfire has just posted agreeing with gungunge, and giving him credit for his views. It's more than funny to read this forum, as there are obviously people out there that know and people that have no idea. On to matters Arsenal, we can still win the league, and after the sadness felt about the chavs going through, I hope that they will be stuffed by the scum in the semi, who will in turn be shown up in the final, and of course manure getting the beating they deserve in the FA Cup. It's still going to be a great season. Come on you Gooooners !!!!
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
Rob,at last some sanity on our players v Chelseas, Sol was twice voted into a world eleven after the WC and Euro 04 tournaments.Terry is a good defender but will never make a world eleven, his lack of pace is also an handicap which the Germans exploited the other night only poor finishing not rewarding thei efforts. Lampard again a good MF having his best ever spell, better than Vieria?,only at long-range shooting and a lot of his goals have come courtesy of deflections this season. That may not always be the case because the element of luck is involved. I thought Alsonso was very good the other nigh and would sooner have him than Lampard.A rumour that is doing the rounds is that SWP is a target for the Chavs with Duff heading off the other way to City as a makeweight in the deal and to appease the City fans,thouh how they will feel about it should it transpire is anyones guess.
East End Gooner
April 15, 2005
On the timing of the semi - sorry to bang on but I really do hate early kick-offs. Especially for something like this. One of my most painful memories was the 91 semi against Spurs when afterwards there was a feeling like the day had barely begun and you'd barely woken up and yet we were out. These things should have a certain build up and should not be over by lunch. Then again, I suppose when you have to get up at the crack of dawn it might feel a bit later anyway.
East End Gooner
April 15, 2005
Exiled - Very poigniant seeing the names. But what would be justice now?
East End Gooner
April 15, 2005
Seems most on here aren't sharing my excitement at having a semi. There may come a time in the future when even achieving a semi is beyond us so you shouldn't take them for granted. I am really looking forward to it and it is made all the more pleasant by the very helpful Harlow sorting me out a parking space round the corner. Question is what time do the Cardiff pubs open on Saturdays? I am reckoning about 11 or so by which time we will most likely be heading into the ground. Why does it have to be 12.15? You make everyone travel hundreds of miles and spend loads of money and then arrange it so they cant even make a proper day of it!
Exiled In Newcastle
Hillsborough
April 15, 2005
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Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
Well, Nigel-GunGunge you stop using different names and i will stop calling you by them . So MR Know-all you believe that prior to the two late goals conceded against BM that Chelsea were defending well!. Again you obviously know more than the experts, i quote Claude Makelle commenting on Chelseas defending in that and recent matches,clean sheets now but a distant memory. Makelle who won the CL with Real Madrid and i believe knows rather more about it than you do; which again admittedly would not be very difficult. The capital letters are mine: "If we are to get to the final we have to stop being so slack and tighten up COMPLETELY.Our coach has got his work cut out. Chelsea need to LEARN to be more cold-headed and cold-blooded. He goes on to say that Mourinhos: "Got a lot of work to do if we are to take the next step and reach the final." Rather a differemt slant on things there than in your nonsensical ramblings eh Nigel?. Your prognastications that the moment Chelsea scored in Munich the tie was over is a nonsense, the defending from Chelsea was very poor and only a fool like you would try to claim otherwise. That post on here from you just after the match ended read like the ravings of a half-wit,which of course it was. You claimed and don't try and deny it, that Chelsea had just produced a rock solid defensive performance to see them through !!!. Another man who makes sense is Xabi Alonso who says that in his view the Chavs are not such favorites as everyone thinks.I agree though its all academic because i cannot see either of these pair of long-ball merchants upsetting the AC Milan side, a team that can really move the ball around, unlike the Chavs who only do that in your infantile imagination.In reality they just use old Diddy the targetman heading on the hoofs directed up field by Cech towards his bonce to be chased like a pack of crazed dogs after a fox. Or Lamposts 35 yard speculative shots flying in off of some defenders arse. So you don't find my posts amusing Nigel?, well i must confess to finding your own ones hilarious..
Mee
April 15, 2005
I see Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith has been appointed to the board. I wouldn’t imagine she would have too much in common with Abramovich and Kenyon if they were to meet for after game in the Marble Halls.
Nouveau Soccer
April 15, 2005
And a final entry...Did you hear about the guy in Paris who almost got away with stealing several paintings from the Louvre? After planning the crime, getting in and out past security, he was captured only two blocks away when his Econoline ran out of gas. When asked how he could mastermind such a crime and then make such an obvious error, he replied: "Monsieur, I had no Monet to buy Degas to make the Van Gogh." And you thought I lacked De Gaulle to tell a such a story.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 15, 2005
Juliano - "He has a fearsome shot that he doesn't practice enough." That's what you said (and others to be fair). Thing is he hasn't got a great shot, he has just occasionaly hit the sweet spot. If he was more willing to shoot he'd have a reputation like good old John Jensen. He doesn't shoot (when there are any options) because he's no good at it.
Nouveau Soccer
April 15, 2005
This is a story about a popular young Rabbi, who on Sabbath eve announces to his congregation that he will not renew his contract. He explains that he is moving on to a larger congregation that will pay him more. There is a hush. No one wants him to leave. Sol Epstein, who owns several car dealerships, stands up and proclaims, "If the Rabbi stays, I will provide him with a new Cadillac every year and his wife with a mini-van to transport their children!" The congregation sighs in appreciation, and applauds. Sam Goldstein, the entrepreneur and investor, stands and says, "If the Rabbi will stay on here, I'll personally double his salary, and also establish a foundation to guarantee the college educations of their children!!" More sighs and loud applause. Sadie Goldfarb, age 70, stands and announces with a smile, "If the Rabbi stays, I'll give him sex!" There is total silence. The Rabbi, blushing, asks her, "Mrs. Goldfarb, whatever possessed you to say that?" Sadie answers, "I just asked my husband how we could help, and he said, "**** the Rabbi."
Nouveau Soccer
April 15, 2005
I can't help but feel that it was better to have been beaten by Bayern than suffer another at Chelsea's hands in the European Cup....Here's a couple for old man of hoy: Two women were playing golf. One teed off and watched in horror as her ball headed directly toward a foursome of men playing the next hole. The ball hit one of the men. He immediately clasped his hands together at his groin, fell to the ground and proceeded to roll around in agony. "Please allow me to help, I'm a physical therapist and I know I could ease your pain if you'd allow me." she told him. "Oh no, I'll be alright in a few minutes," he replied. He was in obvious agony, lying in the fetal position, still clasping his hands together at his groin. At her persistence, however, he finally allowed her to help him. She gently took his hands away and laid them to the side, loosened his pants and put her hands inside. She administered tender and artful massage for several long moments asked, "How does that feel?" He replied, "It feels great, but my thumb still hurts like hell."
Rob K
April 15, 2005
In this Chelsea/AFC team - its absurd to put Terry ahead of Campbell. Campbell is head & shoulders better a player than JT. Would also not consider Lampard ahead of Vieira - would you swap Vieira for Lampard?
Gunfire
April 15, 2005
Gungun correct call on the car thieves. You don't need superstars to defend. Greece are the finest example. A team that can defend well and work hard will beat a team with more talent but has less organisation and less desire.
george
April 15, 2005
Arsenal appoints 17 pct shareholder Nina Bracewell-Smith as non-exec director
AFX
LONDON (AFX) - Arsenal Holdings PLC, the Ofex-traded Premier League club, said it appointed Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith as a non-executive director with immediate effect.
Bracewell-Smith is one of the major shareholders in the football club with a stake of 16.8 pct.
There has been consistent speculation that the club may seek a listing on the London Stock Exchange.
The other leading shareholders are Danny Fiszman and David Dein.
Juliano
April 15, 2005
That's it! The last half of the primary trusses is being pulled up as I type. (a quarter to 10 am UK time)
Juliano
April 15, 2005
Exiled-re Vieira's shooting. I don't know wether he practices his shooting or not, what I know is that he often doesn't take the chance when in good position. We've seen him score screamers (one with France against South Korea, hitting a 25 yards half volley after a clearance was as good as it gets) and well placed low shots from outside the box, so the potential is there. The difference with Ray is that Ray wasn't shy with taking shots, granted most of them most have made Jonny Wilkinson's envy but some were really class. Lampard takes lots of shots, he misses a fair few but he hits loads of them, deflected or not. Vieira is simply too reluctant to have a go and I think it's a pity.
GunGun
April 15, 2005
Wrong as usual Cannon Balls...wrong as usual...you must not only use stats as they can be very misleading. The whole defensivee play of Liverpool and Chelsea in midweek was laudible. They defended as a team. The whole team moved backwards and forwards together. Liverpool were never in serious danger in Turin (unlike their supporters) and Chelsea were through the moment Drogba scored. The two goals conceded in additional time do not count as an indicator of their defensive display because they were through and the Germans knew it. Admit that defensively these two performances have been one of the more mature displays of British sides in Europe.I cannot see many teams getting a draw in Turin. Of course, and I think you disagree with me out of principle, it is down to the foreign coaches in the PL. Best example, simpleton, is the bar-codes naive display or even worse Middlesbrough`s wobbly display against the mediocre Austrians in the previous round. Each time they were attacked it looked as if they would concede. Talk football Cannon Balls, try and use your brain and not your emotions so much. Stop calling me different names, half-wit. If somebody else disagrees with you, it does not automatically mean it is me. Nit!
old man of hoy
April 15, 2005
On the shooting from distance theme in a recent article on TH, our maestro indicated that Le Boss did not like the players to overdo long range shooting in practice because it puts undue strain on the thigh muscles. Suggested Le Boss was worried it might reduce their running speed. So it may be down to coaching rather than inability because otherwise it is a natural thing for a footballer to want to shoot at the goal. Neither Rooney or Lampard have had that natural inclination coached out of them. One other thing - if Totti joins us he will be virtually playing in a Roma kit during his first season. London calling - its cool and grey again - Big Eyed Beans from Venus - oh my, oh my.
A woman was out golfing one day when she hit the ball into the woods. She went into the woods to look for it and found a frog in a trap. The frog said to her, "If you release me from this trap, I will grant you three 3 wishes."
The woman freed the frog. The frog said, "Thank you, but I failed to mention that there was a condition to your wishes-that whatever you wish for, your husband will get ten times more or better!"
The woman said, "That would be okay." For her first wish, she wanted to be the most beautiful woman in the world. The frog warned her, "You do realize that this wish will also make your husband the most handsome man in the world, an Adonis that women will flock to. The woman replied, "That will be okay because I will be the most beautiful woman and he will only have eyes for me." So, KAZAM-she's the most beautiful woman in the world.
For her second wish, she wanted to be the richest woman in the world. The frog said, "That will make your husband the richest man in the world and he will be ten times richer than you." The woman said, "That will be okay because what's mine is his and what's his is mine." So, KAZAM-she's the richest woman in the world!
The frog then inquired about her third wish,.......And she answered, "I'd like a mild heart attack"
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
Nigel-Gungunge you really are a little irratating know-nothing, with your preaching and condescending patronizing posts on here.You know more then Brady and Wenger who according to you have learnt nothing from their experiences in football abroad. Souness he knows nothing, the jocks got no idea at OT, hang on that can't be right though, did he not win one Euro trophy with Aberdeen?, right, then there was the ECWC also with United back in the mid-90s and of course he won the CL in '99!. So how did he manage those achievements then Nigel knowall?.Your the one who has no idea pal. Your constant banging on about Brit teams as you describe our ones in your own inimitable cluless style being unable to defend for being the reason for their lack of success in Europe, apart from Chelsea and now Liverpool,who have not proven that yet by actually winning anything, is rather like your own self,too simple. I have already pointed out to you that Chelsea despite conceding more goals than Arsenal did against Bayern Munich won the tie not by scoring goals not good defending they lost one of the games 3-2 and conceded 2 also in the win at home. Arsenal kept a clean sheet in the home leg, so overall defended better than Chelsea did. Now whatever arguments you can put forth you cannot argue with known results, so your argument is a nonsense. Chelsea won by scoring more goals 6 against Bayerns 5, there was no great defending or goalkeeping from what i saw by either side, the tie being decided by one goal. Which was also the scenario in the Arsenal tie, except it went the other way in favour of the Germans. AC Milan are the only team that are defending well not conceding goals but also scoring them. A team that concedes 5 goals in a Cup-tie cannot have been said to have defended well, even you with your obviously limited intelligence can surely grasp that fact?. Newcastle who you were using for your argument actually conceded less goals in their tie than did Chelsea in theirs. Their defending was no worse than the Chavs but they scored less goals and is why they are out - spot the difference Nigel Gungunnge???.
Mee
April 15, 2005
Dormouse: I think Graham bought Kiwomya from Ipswich at the same time.
Dormouse
April 15, 2005
Thanks also to Exiled for pointing out my mistake with Hartson. It's strange what memory can do. When it was pointed out, I was able to remember that the transfer was under the GG regime & remember it being done, but somehow had it down as done by AW on the surface of my mind. Maybe I was confusing it with the Upson transfer since that was an AW transfer, also from Luton.
Dormouse
April 15, 2005
Richie - you're right about GG signing Hartson, though AW did give him a long-term contract before his sale to West Ham. But the point I was making was that AW i s happy to buy & to play players who have different strengths & that he will adjust the team's style to the players he has. The biggest problem we have with corners & free kicks is that we don't have players whose strengths would take advantage of them. Buying one would displace another player; if we are looking for a header of the ball then that probably means a CF or CB - that's Henry or one of the CBs to be replaced. We wouldn't want to replace Henry, so who could we buy as a CB who would score goals & would that be a good use of our limited money? Even Terry has only scored 8 goals in his 47 games - & that's with the help of team mates obstructing the GK. I think we have to accept that one of the downsides of Henry is that he won't score many headers, & that a lot of the team style is built around his talents.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 15, 2005
Dormouse - I do agree with you but Hartson was bought by Graham.
GunGun
April 15, 2005
The bar codes performance in Lisbon reminded me of the true quality of defending that PL sides often put on display in European competitions. Dyer said their defense lost it. Bright boy, they conceded 4 goals and it once more shows the lack of quality British coaches have. You see, when Souness came back after years in Italy I was sure that he and Chippy Brady would have learnt a thing or two about the art of defense. The result: very little. It is like they never played abroad. Now the Pl`s big four have fortunately
improved somewhat defensively and this is mostly down to the fact that they have foreign coaches except the Old Jock.
Cannon Ball, I have not changed my approach at all. I still find you humourless. bitter, uncharming, all in all not very pleasant company on this forum. Who am I today then, Balls? Maybe Cannon Balls himself? You poor obsessed sod. I was amazed to hear you are an old man of 52. You should have slightly better manners. But then, yobs will be yobs.
Richie
April 15, 2005
Hartson was purchased by GG. Fair point about the passing game but that shouldn't stop us from being productive at corners and in-direct free kicks.
Dormouse
April 15, 2005
On scoring from long range (by deflection or straight in), it seems to me that the number of players who are good at blasting these balls is small. Lampard is one of them, van Bommel is another. I don't think we have anyone who is good at it. the players we have who can score from range do it by curling & placing the ball & they are not likely to score by deflection. I am sure, if we had a player who was good at it, that AW would be encouraging them to have a go quite often. I don't think his tactics are as limited as some make out. He works to the talents of the players he has - IWWW was a different game to both Anelka & Henry; he bought Hartson & was, therefore, happy with the idea of a traditional centre-forward (if he had been good enough at the time); he bought Jeffers to be a fox in the box. He clearly prefers teams that have a fast, free-flowing, passing style, but he builds his tactics around the players he has, & he buys the best players he can for the money available.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 15, 2005
Wiral (or Wirral) - modern is anything since a couple of years before you become 'aware' because as soon as you really see it all the talk is of recent stuff that you can't help picking up if you've got the bug. I've spoken to a lot of people and their 'memory' of football in a what happened type way always seems to start a couple of years before their actual memory. Just wondered what you (and others) thought about that hypothesis personally.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 15, 2005
Decaf - "gum boots and science". I'll use that one day and I hope I credit you. Mind you, one of my favourite passes in football is a big defender putting it into row z so nippy bloke doesn't get it. Europe. It's a strange one. Firstly you've got to put everything into context. You've got to start with where the teams come from. Like with like, er, if you like. So how have we done against the other English teams that exist under similar (playing) constraints. Well Since English teams were back in Europe we've got one final appearance. I'm not sure to be honest whether the mancs got to another semi (hey, who remembers losing semi finalists!) but Leeds did (somehow) and the chavs did last year. So that's three (maybe four - and feel free to remind me of any I've forgotten) semi-final appearances by English teams in 15 years. UEFA cup - we got to the final and Leeds to the semi's in 2000, but apart from that I can't think of any off hand (again feel free to add any). So (and I'm leaving the ECWC out not because there are two wins there but because it's not there anymore) in 15 years back in Europe there's 6 semi final appearances (+?) but only one trophy. So the problem could be with English football and not with Arsene Wenger. And before the chav invasion we're suffering on this site start bleating about the borrowers of cars playing the borrowers of football I'm not a betting man. If I'm in the ground early boredom leads me to a ladbrokes and a fiver spent on five x quid combinations but tomorrow I'm going to stick a pony (might have been here for 7 years but I still talk proper like) on PSV to win the tournament.
Wiral Gooner
April 15, 2005
It all counts though. without wanting to awaken the old history debate, those wins by LFC in the 70's and 80's still seem like the modern era to me, just like our 3 - 1 and 1-0 wins at Anfield in the mid 1970's that iwent to with my dad.
AmericanGooner
April 15, 2005
As usual, our game will be the scum's cup final. Winning at the Lane was a good feeling, I'd love to spank them at Highbury.
AmericanGooner
April 15, 2005
Wirral, I should say, most successful in the modern era. I am well aware of LFC's success and Forest as well. I should have said most successful in the CL format and not the old European Cup.
Wirral Gooner
April 15, 2005
Also liked Sol vs Pompey. Have not heard from Chocolate on the forum for a while. i do so enjoy his tirades. What has happened to him?
Chippys Chislers
April 15, 2005
Just on the long range goals, my favourite was Freddie against the scum last year with the deflected effot. Love to win with a fluke, it makes it so much harder for them to bear. Also liked Campbell against Pompey this year. Not many CB's have done that this season
Richie
April 15, 2005
See the bar codes have been spanked 4-1 by Sporting Lisbon. It will be interesting to see how they react on Sunday.
Wirral Gooner
April 15, 2005
American. it will take a very long time before we can claim to be the most successful english club in Europe.L'pool have won 4 european cups , maybe 5 with this year but I doubt it.they have also won 2 UEFA cups and maybe a ECWC but not too sure on this last one.They make the mancs look like johnny come latelys to europe. and our Fairs cup and ECWC look frankly pathetic.
AmericanGooner
April 15, 2005
USMartin, I don't think the Chelsea players are worried about the league..at least not yet. I think they are very confident its over. If we beat them and they draw or lose to Fulham, then they'll get worried but not yet. I think they are building belief for a CL right now. Our game with them, I think they see it as a measuring stick and a game of the 'changing of the guard'. We are the last domestic hurdle for them. **** If Liverpool get to the final I will not be cheering for them. This may sound selfish but I want us to be the most successful Englsih club in Europe. I want us to win multiple European titles. **** Add Reyes and van Persie to those who can shoot from distance. **** Finally, I will have to congratulate the forumites on here for the board progressing since Steve's passing. Also, must acknowledge Niall, Roger and Rob K, for the things they have done and more importantly for the things they haven't done. You've made good changes without changing the culture of the forum. Lets keep it going.
AmericanGooner
April 15, 2005
Our defensive form this season can be attributed to the personnel we had in at the time. Toure` is having a bad year. Sol as well. Or he's not playing as well as he has been, whether due to injuries or whatever. So our two starting CBs are underperforming for various reasons and we dropped points as a result of it. Our form picked up when we had Senderos in and a few people coming back from injuries in the middle of the pitch (Silva, Vieira). Its seems fairly simple, maybe too simple. Maybe there is more to it than that, if so, I haven't figured it out. **** Regarding the annual awards. The Chelsea contingent may end up taking votes from each other. If Lampard was the only Chelsea player on there he'd win handily. Everyone views it as Chelsea's year and Lampard is seen as the epitome of it. I would recognize Henry as my PFA but I wouldn't object to someone saying it was a slightly biased viewpoint. If Robben is on there, so should Fabregas. Robben has been injured for a large chunk of the season. This is a guess but I'd say Fabregas has probably played more games in all domestic competitions and maybe more than 14 in the league. Defoe has been more valuable to the scum than Ronaldo to the Mancs in my humble opinion. SWP's injury may have shaded it for Defoe. Was Toure` on the short list last season? **** SW1905, for me, Cech and Terry and probably Robben on the bench because he can't stay healthy. Gudjohnsen on the bench. I'd take an inform Bergkamp over an inform Gudjohnsen, even at his age. And that's it.
Niall
April 15, 2005
After you over Rooney the Manc granny shagger Cannon. Still think he's the new Pele? Or is that Joe Cole? Nevermind.
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
Nigel-Gungunge, you have been banging on on about Chelsea having a :"Rock solid defense". And that was the reason why they and not Arsenal were 'successful' in the CL - your now trying desperately to change tact - but fooling no one. I have told you before, and will repeat my advice, you know ****all about football - so go and play with your Gameboy and get it off over your Damien Duff poster.
Alex E
April 15, 2005
Have you seen the rumour on Del Piero or Jermaine Defoe signing for us in the summer
Decaf
April 15, 2005
Exiled, my impression is that Paddy is to shooting what John Terry is to the fine are of clearing the ball--the victory of the gum boot over all known arts and sciences. Paddy's shooting is sufficiently accurate to have a fair chance of passing between the two corner flags, and remaining in the stadium. Occasionally one does fly in the direction of goal. Remember THAT goal he scored against Manure years ago (I think he nearly broke his leg in the process)? Paddy was as suprised as anyone else.
North Bank Mural
April 15, 2005
Been away all week so had no forum fix, doesn't seem to be much on here re Saturday?!! Think we will get kicked all over, is that scumbag Savage playing? We must win. In London a.m. tomorrow and heading for Cardiff p.m. so just want to say "Come on you Gunners" and see you all Saturday!!! PTBAG
Wirral Gooner
April 15, 2005
I think that L'pool can defend. Hypia is an excellent CB. When he was unsettled earlier this year I hoped that we would buy him. Carragher has also played well. Though he is not in the same class. They just seemed to want it more at Juve than we did at BM. this is what gets to me. An Arsenal team that seems to lack desire. They have all the talent, but appear to bottle it at times. reading the earlier posts reminds me to say that i also wish that they would have more shots rather than try to craft the perfect goal.
Wirral Gooner
April 15, 2005
Not a problem talking about chavski on this site. We all hate them, so what? Mee thanks for the advice about posting. Mr EEG, not sure I could mnanage a beard and I onluy wear sandals with socks. You even got the left leaning bit wrong. So left wing make leaning left impossible.
GunGun
April 15, 2005
Hey Cannon Balls, I knew you wouldn`t get it.
I never said the Chavs and the car-thieves had found a new super system of how to defend. What I am saying is that they learned how to defend pretty quickly. And, as in Liverpools case, it seems you don`t need superstars to carry out strict disciplined defending. Liverpool have a bunch of ordinary defenders who have been taught how to defend seriously. I love Arsene by the way and would not want to swap him for any manager. I do however reserve the right to point out his shortcomings. How are you today, by the way Cannon Balls? The fit of rage under control? Good boy!
Decaf
April 15, 2005
Dial Square, bear in mind that [...] played a CL game the other night and it is fairly natural to talk about them. What is more, one day, perhaps in the not too distant future ARSENAL may just have to play the unmentionable [...].
US Martin
From a semi-dead PC
April 15, 2005
Chelsea are SCARED right now. The best possible scenario is now here IF we take advantage at Stamford Bridge. Win there and with Chelsea trying to rest players ahead of meeting Liverpool and during the tie, they could well drop another four to six points and maybe more WITHOUT the trip to OT. Much as if we go through I would love to stuff the scum mancs, maybe its best if all they have to play for is the chance to spoil Chelsea's season come May and Ferguscum has no reason to rest his players. IF we win next week we CAN still win the League or even put Chelsea out of Europe as they try to hang on here. Chelsea KNOW it and they are SCARED....
Decaf
April 15, 2005
Good points, Clock End Ginger, EEG and Juliano. Cannonballs, maybe if we took more shots we would get more lucky goals. I must say that Juve's cluelessness last night reminded me of Arsenal in Europe. I think they thought it was going to be easy! When they weren't lumping hopeless diagonal balls onto Hyppia's head, they were trying to pass it into the goal (and seldom getting into the box). With the clock ticking down there was a lovely incident which summed up the general lack of a plan. The mighty Buffon passed to a defender and the after a few passes it came back to the keeper who sliced it into touch under no pressure (I may be conflating two incident there), wasting about two minutes. 65% possession yielding as few shots as that was not just down to Liverpool's good defending.
Dazza107
April 15, 2005
I was told last week that Arsenal was still very interested in Owen Hargreaves, has anyone heard anything on this topic. I can't find anything online that is recent enough to believe, rumor has it that Utd was also interested but I think he would be best suited at Arsenal.
Bernard
April 15, 2005
Dial Square, it might be because Chelsea are very relevant to Arsenal's fortunes at the moment. If it wasn't for Abramovich throwing however much money he has at them, Arsenal would now be three points clear of Man Utd with not too many games left in the race for our second successive title. But Abramovich's untold billions mean that instead both those clubs are floundering some distance behind a corrupt Russian based franchise. It's only natural they're going to be discussed.
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
Is Dial Sq in Glasgow?.
Roger
April 15, 2005
Chelsea ? - Who ? ;-)
Dial Square
April 15, 2005
When you're entering a message on this board it states "Post Your Arsenal Views or Thoughts". Why then are 90% of the messages posted here in some way related to Chelsea? This is starting to border on obsession... Can we all try and go a whole day without mentioning the Chavs once? Is it possible do you think?
East End Gooner
April 15, 2005
And I would happily take the current Cole with Mourinho having done the work with him to be an improvement for us in one of two positions. Firstly down the right-hand-side or secondly in a freer role to replace Bergkamp - the role I think Cole would prosper best with in the longer term. Have you just not been watching football lately Niall?
East End Gooner
April 15, 2005
I take it you haven't seen much Chelsea lately then Niall? Apart from possibly Lampard and maybe Terry (though the defence has been a bit weaker all round) Cole has been far and away their outstanding player. One credit I will give to Mourinho is he has turned him into a footballer in quick time. His impact on Chelsea has been at least five or six times that of Duff over the last two or three months. Frankly, during Robben's injury Duff is only confirming the former belief that he contributes very little without Robben taking players away from him. He was piss poor on Tuesday while Cole was covering Huth's arse for most of the second half before playing the key part in the winning goal. It would take a spectacularly poor judge to do down Cole's contribution at the moment. Then again...he aint Irish is he?
boreinho
April 15, 2005
nah its because i think eidur is would suit playing in a deeper role with henry as main striker ..
Exiled In Newcastle
April 15, 2005
Sw- it doesn't work like that. Look at the selection you've posted, it's set out as a chav team formation. So you've picked a Boreinho team.
Mee
April 15, 2005
There are only a very few players that fans of other teams would choose to supplant their own. TH14 is the one example I can think of, that no matter how cynical opposition fans are, would be picked by every other club in the premiership to be in their team. His talent is so huge that it is beyond petty club rivalries. I can’t think of one other player this applies to - suggestions anybody?
sw1905
April 15, 2005
YOUR arsenal team not wengers or mourinhos chelsea.
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
SWI,it's an exercise in futilty to compare the Chelsea v Arsenal players on which would fit into each others teams, because both managers have very different ideas on how the game should be played. And thus employ very different tactics. Drogba would be wasting his time at Arsenalhanging around like someone waiting for a bus that never comes, he would never get the all hoofed up to him in the air. Henry would be only half the player at Chelsea no one player scores 25+ league goals a season under Mourinhos tactics,who wa the last one to get two consective hat-tricks or even onwe?. Henry would have to be helping out the much vaunted defense like Joe Cole, Gudjohnson, etc do to keep the goals against down and making a 1-0 win or draw more likely . You have to ask which team would you rather watch or the neutrals, the answer is written in the stars,or rather TV viewing figures; if i had to choose between watching Terry heading in goals from corners,Lampard blasting in shots that need a lucky deflection or Duff going on runs that end nowhere because there is no one to pass too so he has to try a futile shot from an angle,then i would sooner watch paint dry. Anyway we will show you again how the game should be played next week.Watch out for Thierry and Bobby now...
Niall
April 15, 2005
Joe Cole..you're having a larf.
East End Gooner
April 15, 2005
SW1905 - The Chelsea players who would get in are Cech (no brainer), Terry (though give Senderos a year or two and he should be better, much less of a hoof it man) (Gallas has gone backwards and the right backs are all crap so I'll keep ours because they are Gooners), Lampard at the top of his game (though I've never seen him have a good one against us), Robben and maybe Cole in the way he has developed now. Please dont make me laugh about Makalele and of all people Gudjohnssen!!! And did you put Carvalho ahead of Campbell in all seriousness??? Its funny how transitory these things are. Duff doesn't even come close to Pires even when Pires is off form.
Alex
April 15, 2005
Hleb seems more and more likely to me. Agree Bernard, don't see why a foreigner couldn't fill that TA6 role. Senderos and Flamini have patential to me. Anyway, Viera is supposed to be doing that like last year, but he's really out of form.
sw1905
April 15, 2005
amazed Fabregas isnt nominated for PFA young player of the year
Alex
April 15, 2005
No Fabregas! Has anyone seen Sky's video selection of the nominated players? It's like a 'Great Goals against the Arsenal' video!
Alex
April 15, 2005
Arsenal/Chelsea 11: Cech, Eboue, Gallas, Campbell, Cole, Ljungberg, Makelele, Viera, Robben, Gudjonsen, Henry.
Bernard
April 15, 2005
That's awful news Brett. Niall, think you'll find he's 29 this summer. Dave, funny how your experiences are so different to those of JamesLT. Seeing how much you drone on here about the evil Germans and you actually live in their country and perhaps earn your living there, to have such an ungrateful attitude perhaps means you have difficulty in hiding it. And if that's the case, I'm not surprised you get a hard time - maybe you deserve it?
Alex
April 15, 2005
I disagree about Juve. They're certainly not worse. Who scores more than Arsenal? Scoring is not even our problem in Europe. I'm dissapointed to hear so many regret the lack of 'screamers' scored by us. I always sigh when the 'goal of the month' on MOTD is inevitably a 30 yard 'screamer'. Do you have no class? More speculative shots from outside? Careful there. Sounds like the first step of many. Why not work on set pieces more, and buy some big strong players? Why not defend 1-0s, and play a few more long balls to target men? Bob's your uncle- Bolton in north london.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 15, 2005
Niall - I agree, but to be honest it was the number of people making the statement 'he doesn't practice enough' that got my goat (so to speak).
Niall
April 15, 2005
Just as we were getting away from Chelsea up pops that question. Gah. For me only the ones I would take and proabably get regular games are Cech, Terry or Gallas (only need one), Ferreira, Duff, Robben, Gudjohnsen and Lampard.
Niall
April 15, 2005
Yeah as I was pointing out below Exiled, a few exceptions from Paddy bereak the general rule that he is crap at long shots. Anyone who saw his miss for the French vs Switzerland as well would give up on him as a shooter. At 27 it's too late for him now, we have to face up to it that from range, Vieira is average to poor.
SW1905
April 15, 2005
Just a question ,, being honest .. based purely on their skills as a footballer ( no bias ) What players from chelsea would you have in your arsenal team .
Ive been on chelsea Forums and with our strongest 11 , Henry and Cole was the only ones , campbell made our bench and so did ljungberg but thats it ....
Chelsea and Arsenal 11 :
...........Cech.............
Ferreira..Carvalho..JT..Cole
.....Makelele..Lamps........
..Duff..Gudjonson..Robben...
..........Henry.............
Exiled In Newcastle
April 15, 2005
A few different people appear to think that Paddy has a wonderful shot but doesn't practice enough. So I guess you're all out on the training pitch every day checking up on what the players are practicing? Must be, to know what he does or doesn't practice. And all based on the fact that he's hit the odd screamer. I remember Parlour hitting the odd screamer in the corner, but I remember far far more of them going closer to the corner flag. Yes he hit the odd accurate one, but most were absolute rubbish. So for those that say he doesn't practice enough, how exactly do you know that he hasn't practised plenty and just can't do it? It does annoy me when people come on here with sweeping statements (as opposed to opinions) for which they have absolutely no substance what so ever.
Brett
April 15, 2005
It's great news to hear that Arsenal have started talks with Ljungberg to extend his contract. Just sign on the dotted line Freddie!
Dave
April 15, 2005
Glad the Germans are out. I remember all the stick I had to take when I lived in Benrath near Leverkusen. We had just stuffed Bayer 1-1 away (Parlour red card after some great German diving) and 4-1 in the return. Played them off the park. Though our own stupidity we still managed to lose that group and all I hear from the Germans even today is that Bayer knocked Arsenal out....Well they did not knock us out but still harp on about it. As for away games in Germany I had to really suffer except for the game in Bremen which we won 4-1 I believe. But we lost all the others (Bayern 2, Dortmund, Schalke). So, I for one was pleased that Chelski and Liverpool got through against Bundesliga teams. It makes my life here more bearable.
Viera
April 15, 2005
If madrid offers £20m in summer should Arsenal sell him
tom
April 15, 2005
I hope PV4 and the rest of the boys have seen the comments by Lampard and Gudjohnsen(sp?) about "wrapping up" the Prem in their next two games before the semi v Liverpool. Have the Chavs forgotten who they're playing next Wednesday? One game at a time and all that but I hope we emerge from Cardiff victorious and injury free so we can give the arrogant gits a lesson.
Cannon Balls
April 15, 2005
Mee,at OT these days it's just a business, and Glazer is not even there yet!. Former United Director Greg Dyke says ( his wife must get some funny looks!) that:"Glazer will endanger the clubs very existence if they get a few fallow years." Right let's start the ball rolling then!.
Juliano
April 14, 2005
Tottaly agree with you Richie re Vieira. He has a fearsome shot that he doesn't practice enough. It is him and Gilberto/Edu/Cesc/Flamini, any of the two CM who have to practice shooting. You are spot on about how he gets into excellent positions then sends a dummy and passes sideways. Sometimes he even tries to pick someone in the area with a through ball but the defenders seem to be so aware of the fact that he is not going to take the shoot that they are always anticipating his pass. That's the point I was making, if he was taking his chances more often he'd me more accurate, and it would make it more difficult for defenders to anticipate. As Vieira's screamer, I found it a mpeg file a couple of days ago with the greatest premiership goals, and there it was, as well as Bergy against Leicester 98 and Newcastle 02, Wrighty against Everton and Tezza against MU.
Mee
April 14, 2005
One of the good things about this forum is that it allows you to indulge in thoughts and opinions, that outside of such an incestuous platform as this, would mark you out as a firm candidate for the funny farm. Carrying on with the ‘life-changing moments’ theme, At a party a friend of mine was asked by his wife what was the most memorable incident of their relationship - he gave the obligatory stock reply about birth of children, meeting spouse etc, but afterwards at the pub I challenged him about it again and he gave a slightly different story. He represented English Universities at football and got to the European University final against French Universities in a mid-week at Old Trafford. As he was walking out of the tunnel before the game, he passed Matt Busby who asked him what position he played and wished him good luck. Although not a United supporter he cites this as being the most memorable thing to happen to him during his entire life. How do you recount this sort of stuff to people who mistakenly remind you that ‘its only a game’?
Mee
April 14, 2005
Ritchie: I seem to remember PV4 scoring at home against Man U against Schmeical from distance a few seasons back - but I agree that part of the teams game is lacking (apart from Henry’s thrilling goal against Man U at home last year) If we could shift the emphasis during games from a short passing game to something more expansive, the opposition would not be so sure of what counter tactics to employ. You would also have the element of surprise, opposing teams do not expect us to let fly from 30yds. Talking of memorable goals, my favourite was scored by Merson at home against Leeds in the FAC. We were 2-0 down at half time, then we made it 2-1 and with time running out Merson got the ball on the left touchline, made a diagonal run beating defender after defender, and from the edge of the box curled an absolute beauty into the far top corner at the clock end to earn a draw. I’ve been present at all children’s births, but lets get a sense of proportion here - Merse’s goal beats the lot.
Niall
April 14, 2005
Yesh but lets not forget that Lampard is exceptional at long shots, Arsenal currently don't have that type of midfielder in their locker. Vieira doesn't shoot cos he can't on most occasions (odd exception granted), but even a poor long shot can be buggered up by a goalie giving the attacker a chance.
Bernard
April 14, 2005
Trouble with that Richie is that I'm not at all certain we'd have done any better in the premiership and Champions League if no first team players had played at all in the FA Cup, and as you say many were rested anyway. And if by having whole teams made up by kids we'd have got knocked out the FA Cup already, we'd now have a zero chance of winning anything at all this season (I don't think Chelsea will blow the league). I think Wenger gets his selections for the FA Cup mostly (so taking into account views on last season's semi) right, as his record in it seems to show. Pick not always the strongest side up to the final, but still a side he'd expect to get through the tie.
Richie
April 14, 2005
For what it's worth, here's my take on our failure in CL. As already mentioned on here it's a combination of bad luck, wrong tactics, injuries and individual mistakes. Also I think that with each season the pressure just gets more intense. The press and the media seem to obsessed about us winning the damn thing and it somehow filters down to the management and players. Next season will be no different. Some of the factors mentioned are out of our control but tactics is one we can do something about. The intricate passing game is fantastic when it comes off but all to often this season it's been our achilles heel. It's meat and drink for the top teams of Europe. If we are not prepared to take shots from outside the area, convert free kicks and corners then it's no wonder we don't get very far. PV4 has a shot on him but how many times does he get to the edge of the area with a clear sight of goal and then he passes it sideways? Yes, Chelsea have had the rub of the green with deflections but they are prepared to have a dig hence the goals they have scored. The fact is that 'ugly' football is sometimes required to win this thing. We can be remembered for playing the prettiest football but winning sod all in Europe or we can adapt accordingly and give ourselves a realistic chance. If AW is not prepared to mix it up next season then expect the same outcome. The record books don't say who the most attractive team was but who wins the silverware. I am not saying we abandon the passing game but we do need to be a bit more pragmatic. A goal is a goal is a goal as they say. Additionally, what if we sacrificed the FA Cup for next season as an experiment? I mean just play the youngsters come what may. I know AW does rest some players for these games but I mean play none of the first team squad. This will enable more rest for the first team and concentrate on the league and the CL only. It seems to have served Liverpool well this season (CL, I mean) after an early exit from the cup. Got to be worth a punt I think.
Juliano
April 14, 2005
Ralph-I totally subscribe to your point of view. Our lack of shooting from outside the area is really something I would like us to improve, but I fear Arsène considers it as too "random". Let's face it he seems to have an idea of football where you knock the ball a certain way to creat clear-cut chances, whereas a rocket from outside is a piece of individual brilliance. My point is (and sorry to repeat it because I think I have said the same thing each season for a good 5 years) that if we had accurate shooters taking their chances, it would bring more goals, not only directly from the shots, but also because the opposition know they have to close down faster, so it pushes a player up to try and prevent the shooter, and it frees up space around the area for a run behind the defence. We saw it against Chelsea last season in the cup, they were slow to close down on Reyès and he sent a screamer in the top corner. Minutes later they made amend and went fast on Dennis/Paddy (can't remember) so he could thread a great ball through to Reyès. Plus from a fan's point of view, there's nothing like a 30 yards screamer, Ray against Valencia is still my fave Arsenal goal!
Mee
April 14, 2005
Ralph: There is truth in what you say, but have you noticed how many times Lampard makes space for himself with clever positional play,so he often receives the ball on the edge of the box. He has been lucky with deflections, but to some extent this ‘luck’ is merely good spatial awareness of what’s around him.
Ralph (3/- Clock Ender)
April 14, 2005
Re: Passion in our game. The ‘Gerrard moment’ is rarely seen from an Arsenal team because they are continually striving for the perfect goal. How often have you seen us score goals from lucky deflections? Almost never! I challenge anyone to recall an Arsenal player in recent times who actually shoots on sight (or even on NO sight) as Lampard & Cole do for Chelsea. Shooting from distance is an art and often results in the seats way above the crossbar. The only Arsenal players who I can imagine shooting from outside the area is PIRES, FABREGAS, VIEIRA and HENRY. VIEIRA does not practice enough and almost always hits the cameramen. PIRES like DB10 shoot on the curve towards a far post so any deflections usually take the ball even further away for a corner. HENRY will only shoot when he scores. FABREGAS is the only player in my mind’s eye that shoots accurately between the posts through a ruck of players. Only his shooting would cause a deflected goal as a result. Perhaps Mr Wenger should give him encouragement to shoot more often. However, unlike Lampard & Chelsea, the ball during an Arsenal attack has probably gone through a complex web of passes and player movements and just shooting on the off chance of a goal or deflected goal would appear churlish and wasteful. I suggest if Lampard were to play the ‘beautiful game’ that is seen at Highbury, even he would not wish to spoil the patterns by just providing the final John Terry-style ‘HAVE IT!
Bernard
April 14, 2005
Mee, I think doing the type of things you want is irrelevant to nationality; not only English players have that quality. It needs a corresponding personality (leadership qualities, for example), status in the team, and respect from other players. I think being English is immaterial, and I fail to see why a Swiss player shouldn't be just as able to do it as an Englishman.
jeremy
jere_arsenal@yahoo.com
April 14, 2005
I thought i seen some says it's just bad luck that we din make it for 7 years in a row.I used to think that way too but 7 years in a row,we must have broken a mirror or something.Slowly,i realised that wasn't a sufficient excuse.For 7 years,we are always having hell lot difficulties scoring and beating a side that plays men-behind-ball.Anyone can remember the last time any of our players scored from set-piece apart from penalties?To be honest,i think we are only an average attacking side in CL.And our defence seems to be on the declining part of the slope ever since the Great Adams hung his boots.Real quality players,apart from Sol and Senderos,were never brought in to replace those who had retired.Make-shift were always a gamble esp with our limited budget.We can't really afford to have a trial and error.And we have this terrible habit of not buying to reinforce the squad after we win title.Weaknesses were rectified and were often exploited by opponents in the next season.And some of our players' mentality are just gone for the next season after winning the title,they seems to think they are all-conquering till they discover the bitter side of life.Though,like many of Gunners i respected AW,but surely he had to take some blame.We are a big club but sad to say,we have the mentality of the Div 1 Champion.There will a lot to do for the coming season,buying a few big-names can only solve the prob skin-deep.VPTBAG!!!
Mee
April 14, 2005
Bernard: Yes let’s hope Senderos continues to develop, although I can’t recall any foreign player fulfiling that role. It seemed perfectly logical for TA6
to assume the role because he was at the heart of a predominantly english team and was a local boy. I don’t know how easy it would be for a young Swiss player to remonstrate with his elder colleagues if things are not going too well?
steve martin
April 14, 2005
17 years old, 38 games for his club this season, how can the Prem players not have voted for him, it is just unbelievable...
Mee
April 14, 2005
Cesc Fabregas is clearly the young player of this or any other year and brings to mind other nominees from the past who were without any serious competition - The young Trevor Francis (was it 14 goals from 16 appearances in the then Div. 1) and of course the incomparable teenage Jimmy Greaves
Bernard
April 14, 2005
Mee, think Senderos may well have that quality. How quickly it develops into something tangible is another matter, I guess.
Mee
April 14, 2005
At the risk of going all xenophobic, what we need is a good old-fashioned, never over til its over, never say die, attitude when things aren’t running for us in the CL - an absolute refusal to take second best - Gerrard has it, Adams certainly had it, Terry has it - in short, a leader
setting an example. That sort of attitude sits perfectly comfortably within a team like ours based around skill, technique and artistry and doesn’t mean you end up playing like Bolton.
Bored
April 14, 2005
Complete joke that Fabregas didn't even make the shortlist but admitedly a not very funny one. Arsenal in the Champions League just look so uncomfortable as if they not 100% sure of their game plan. I think Wenger has to take a lot of the responsibility for that. Contrast that with Chelsea's 100% focused displays this season in the same competition.
Bernard
April 14, 2005
Couldn't help laughing when I saw Arseblog's comment about Jermaine Pennant. http://www.arseblog.com/index.php#April14
Cannon Balls
April 14, 2005
Ginger,i agree with much of what you say,we are often too intricate and there are times when an headed goal from a corner or even a'la Bould a brace would do. Also a Gerrard type leaderon the pitch,though the Car-Thieves managed without him last night,or yes even a Lampard- Joe Cole style deflection they all count. Putting everything down to not defending is a nonsense Chelseas defending in the CL is crap,they have lost their last three away games and conceded loads of goals, but they have somehow managed when it's been needed to pull something out of the hat,even resorting to cheating.I am not advocating that we don't wantto sink to their level. We need to mix our game up a little and force results at times instead of relying just on our passing game, we are not that far away if Liverpool or Chelsea can get to a final or some of the other teams that have recently then so can we.Benitez says diplomatically oday on SKY that Chelsea are a dificult team to beat they defend deep and and counter atack. What he really means is they are long-ball merchants,come to think about it rather like Liverpool themselves.
steve martin
April 14, 2005
Arjen Robben.
Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney Shaun-Wright Phillips Stewart Downing and Jermain Defoe make up the list of young player of the year award, Where is Cesc, 17 years old and been fantastic, I might be biased, but he has done far more than Downing this season...
Darren
April 14, 2005
No Fabregas in the PFA young player shortlist. E*ging joke!
Bernard
April 14, 2005
Just seen Gaz got in before me.
Bernard
April 14, 2005
Not looked myself yet as it's not working on my computer today but just had a text from Gaz who's looking at the webcam and following what Juliano said yesterday, it seems the second half of the roof is going up right now.
Gaz ( B/Wood )
April 14, 2005
Blimey! Wasnt expecting the second half of the roof to be going up so early! http://www.stadium.arsenal.servecast.net/arsenal/player.asp Come on Arsenal.
Clock End Ginger
April 14, 2005
The Champions League is not a joke competition as some are saying and its not just down to bad luck that we're not in the semis. I agree Juve were lethargic, and Liverpool may not be as consistent as us when they have to play second rate premiership teams like Birmingham or Southampton but this season, when they've needed to put in a big performance in Europe they have. Their Gerrard moment four minutes from time against the Greeks when he scored the winner from 30 yards was an inspiring moment of football: a great player finding some inspiration when his team needed it. Precisely what we we didn't do against Bayern in those depressing last 25 minutes at Highbury. There seemed to be no real belief in our team that we would get through. That is our problem. We have not won a big game for a long time now, about 14 months (Chelsea away in the league) and we are not good at coping with real pressure situations, witness our second half against Man Utd recently. I don't think we're that far off, and a top keeper would fill everyone with more belief, but its not down to luck that we have once again failed in Europe. We can't run through good defences so easily and quickly get frustrated. For all that people go on about Chelsea's deflections, and I hate seeing them in the last four, at least they have shots on goal. How many did we have in the whole 180 minutes against Bayern. Four, five? Not good enough.
Rich
April 14, 2005
Following on from my last post.....just checked the stats, Robben has only made 14 Premiership starts and Rooney has scored only 9 Premiership goals. Surely no matter how well Robben played he cant get nominated on just 14 games? and Rooney on 9 goals, there is 11 players with more than that! including 3 gooners. Earnshaw has scored more and Crouch, Cahill, Dickov have scored as many. Crouch being 23 so not too old to qualify by their rules! Baffling
jeremy
April 14, 2005
Gerrard nominated,yes,but winning it,surely not.e is there to make up the numbers,How could a player whose club is struggling to get a CL place win it?Lucky Lampard looks the likely choice becos he is English and had the $$$ factor.As for young players,it'll prob be "ENGLAND's fav"--Rooney or Russian's Robben.Cesc will make it,it'll be just a matter of time.Class is permanent.VPTBAG!!!
steve martin
April 14, 2005
How comes when we reached the FA Cup Final and League Cup Final in the same year 1993, then the CWCF in 1994 and 1995, we were hammered by the media as boring Arsenal. 1-0 to the Arsenal, yet this Liverpool side are lauded…
Bernard
April 14, 2005
Rich, I presume there must be a cut off age at which you become too old for the young player award, so if a 23 year old is nominated it must be at least that.
Rich
April 14, 2005
PFA nominations for player of the Year - Cech, Terry, Lampard, Johnson, Gerrard, Henry........Young PLayer of the Year - Ronaldo, Rooney, Wright-Phillips, Defoe, Downing, Robben. While you can't really complain about the main award (maybe Gerrard) I can't understand why some of these players are up for the Young players award. Has Ronaldo or Rooney had an exception season? Not at all, SWP and Defoe have had good seasons but they are 23 and 22 respectively. I expect the Young Players award to go to an U21. God knows how Fabregas hasn't made it onto the list, I garuntee he would have if he were English!
steve martin
April 14, 2005
Why do we fail so often in the Champs League, does any one have the answers… On here each of us individually has our ideas, not sure we are right, but many of us see it differently, so maybe between us all, we come up with an overview of all that’s wrong… I see the Champs League as just a major competition cooked up by UEFA to make the best of TV revenues.. For TV coverage would be no good if it were only the Champions, too many big teams missing each year… For the seven years we have been in the Comp, Arsenal have been seen as a big team, due to the players we have had, I think therefore we have suffered, with this while Leeds, Chelsea and Liverpool have quietly sneaked through… Teams seem to give their all against us, while they seem quietly confident of beating the other English team, Man Utd have also been suffering as well as Arsenal… Of course it’s not a simple as that, the team itself has to take some blame… However, We have had some bad draws in the league section, always seeing to get the eastern block teams, playing in Munich when it was 4 below freezing, maybe if we had the first leg at home first things may have been different, hence winning your group actually doing you no favours (see PSV in Semi’s)… Also, injuries at just the wrong time have an effect, with Chelsea’s large squad helping them cope better than most teams… The Champs League played over 9 months, has a lot of luck involved to win the trophy, Chelsea have had 120% share of the luck this season, so far… This is not a gripe, as they could well suffer the bad luck in the semi… Anyway, my pint is, are PSV and Liverpool better teams than Arsenal, are Porto the best team in Europe, and Monaco the second best, are Lyon really that good Juventus showed that scoring one goal a game can get you one step further than Arsenal and the same as Lyon, who scored hatfuls more goals… Speaking as a football fan, a Chelsea -v- AC Milan final is the only thing that can save this years competition, but don’t be surprised to see a Liverpool -v- PSV final… The only way to really get the bets team in Europe settled once and for all, is a season long league, with the best two teams from the best ten countries taking part, how this would work, I know not… So as it stands we are left with the current format, one which does not necessarily, give us the right winner, more like the FA Cup, Millwall reaching the final, just a knockout competition and one that as each year goes past, shows that winning your domestic league is infinitely, more a measure of how good your side is than winning the Champs League…
Mee
April 14, 2005
I agree with East End on Juventus and think Chelsea (here we go again) will have a far more difficult task in defeating Liverpool who will at least be familiar with Mourinhos game plan. A Liverpool victory might cause Gerrard to re-evaluate his options. I thought Cannons earlier post about Rio Ferdinand’s clandestine meeting was hilarious and is probably very near the truth.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Alex - Juve are ****. If anyone talks about a lack of Plan B with Arsenal just look at Juve. They barely have a Plan A. They have won all those games 1-0. Some would say that is good stuff but looking at the goals pre-match yesterday, a number of them came from defensive errors. The only Juve plan is to try and bore you into making the error and creating something for them. Tey cant create anything themselves and if your defence maintains its concentration they are in trouble with no clue on how to respond. They are weak on set pieces and dont like a high-paced game. they were all over the place in the first half hour at Anfield and the first twenty minutes or so of the second half yesterday. They have no pace and no width. I admit we have our own problems (though it really did boil down to defensive lunacy this year) but I wouldn't put Juventus above us at all. Now Milan is a different matter. They have it all. But then it is not just us who fall below their level.
Alex
April 14, 2005
We have improved in Europe under Wenger. Remember our exit in 98, that certiainly wouldn't happen again. Also our reputation in Europe has seen a big increase. All the big teams are weary of us, even if they are unimpressed by our record. They know the value of Henry, Viera, Campbell etc. Also a UEFA Cup final is nothing to sniff at. Because you get to the QF one year does not mean that you automatically progress to the SF next year, then on to the Final. Also, most agree that the luck has not been with us in any campaign, and we never get a battering by anyone. The margin of error in our exits is always slender. 1 goal, away goal etc.
Littlefire
April 14, 2005
CL devalued. Official.
Cannon Balls
April 14, 2005
Mee,i touched upon the league stat's and early doors the Chavs were keeping more clean sheets then us in the league,and we all know that we had problems with injuries etc at that tinme to key players in our much smaller squad,butChelsea are not keeping them now. And taking account of the Bayern Munich games played by ourselves and Chelsea against them,the Chavs conceded 5 goals against BM over the two legs 2 at home and 3 away. We conceded 3 away and 0 at home. So i fail to see how the Chav defense is according to Gungunge the reason that Chelsea went through. How about trying they scored more goals Gungunge ? - does that help???. We needed one more at home to prevail and could not produce it; so i give credit to Chelsea for their goals that they scored, albeit two of them were flukes, but saw nothing special about their defending which at times was in fact very inept. I prefer it if posters stick to the facts when quoting statistics and not descend into the realms of fantasy conceived in their fevered and, like Gungunge-Nigels, biased imaginations.
Alex
April 14, 2005
Our failure in the CL this season is not an injustice. We are better than Bayern (or at least as good), but we are not better than Milan, or Juve. If you are not the best team in the competition, you cannot truly be dissapointed. Our F.A Cup triumps have been all well deserved because we were the best in the competition. Also, our return to form came too late.
Dormouse
April 14, 2005
Chance factors & timing make a big difference too. We went to BM in the 1st match of the tie, made a couple of ghastly individual errors & that was us cooked. Chelski went there 2nd & holding a lead, get the 1st goal through a lucky deflection & that was BM cooked. The margins between success & failure in the knockout stage are usually tiny & often down to these things. The group stage is more down to quality, but not necessarily more enjoyable to watch.
Bored
April 14, 2005
Liverpool and PSV reaching the CL semi's show that you dont have to be the best to progress. In a weird way it makes Arsenal's consistent failure in the CL a tad easier to take, at least today. Saying that it is really frustrating and puzzling that our consistent domestic success doesn't transfer over to the Champions League.
Alex
April 14, 2005
I think one of our problems in Europe is coming to terms with the 'away goals' scenario. I'm not a fan of this system as it inevitably produces over-cautious football. Teams don't just try to win the game, they're constantly concerned about where they're playing, and what that last goal means- 'that's two they've scored away now which means that our away goal counts for nothing, so we now had better score two more to be safe'- meanwhile the opposition have put 11 men behind the ball! It's more an exersize in maths than football. I'm not a fan of penalties, but I do prefer to watch teams who at least try and win the match that they are involved in.
Alex
April 14, 2005
Arsene has not had the money of other clubs, right? So when he spends he has to spend even more wisely, right? So he chooses to spend on attackers. This doesn't leave much for the defence. Therefore he has had to be creative in this department- extending the careers of the old guard, frees like Campbell, and 'unheard ofs' like Toure, Clichy, Grimiandi. Considering this he has done well. We had the best defence in the PL last year you know! What you're asking is not our great attackers + a great defence, it's our great attackers in exchange for a better defence. I think great attacking teams are more concistent than defensive teams, especially in the PL- Man U & Arsenal- Graham vs Wenger. Chelsea cannot do what we can do + defend better. They will never produce the fluid football that we can, never score as many goals, and it remains to be seen how concistent they will be. Would you really swap thier football for ours? They do not change tactics nearly as much as some (OMOH) seem to think. the change is more often to do with their opponents. If Norwich can't get the ball, then they don't defend as deep, but as soon as they come up against a good team its 5-man MF + long balls + a whole lot of defending and set-plays (Duff and Robben are the only thing that brings some light to this scenario). If anyone mentions 'mixing it up' again I'll scream! How many goals have we leaked in the last two months in comparison to Chelsea?
Mee
April 14, 2005
Cannon B: I agreed with the general tone of GunGuns argument that our defence this season is certainly not good enough. (WBA. Southampton) even allowing for injuries. I am certainly not proposing Chelsea as the arbiters of perfect defending, although their goals against column makes interesting reading when compared to ours.
Alex
April 14, 2005
I suppose in a way, all the overly critical postings on here, and by Arsenal fans in general, is a good thing. It shows how far Arsene has brought the club, and therefore the supporters. Not winning everything is suddenly seen as abject failure. I just hope that Arsenal fans do not lose thier 'level-headedness' along with that. Delerious desire for constant success can cause major problems (constant turnover of 'failing' managers, destabilising the club in general), and is also what we see as most gross in the likes of Man U, Bayern, Real etc.
Cannon Balls
April 14, 2005
Mee,our defensive short comings in Europe and tactics have been discussed on here for years. We all know that they are not good enough.The simplistic idea dogmatically advised by GunGun that Chelsea, and now Liverpool!, have discovered or have a defensive system to win the CL is not proven. To me they are just another version of 'Big Jacks' Irish Republic side that are difficult to beat in tournaments but lack that little bit of flair to win them. Chelsea were beaten by Newcastle in the FA Cup 1-0 at St James Park and nearly on a couple of occasions in the LC too making hard work of winning when having to come from behind. If AC Milan score first against the Chavs or Liverpool i could not see them coming back against them, Bayern Munich have only themselves to blame for having lost to Chelsea they carved out the chances but spurned them,nothing to do with good defen ding in fact the Chelsea defense looked worse than ours against them, and at least we kept a clean sheet at home; while the Chavs conceded two goals. This mythical defense of Chelseas is a figment of GunGuns limited imagination. And don't start quoting league stat's Arsenals defense is currently better than Chelseas over the last 8 games keeping more clean sheets, Chelsea in fact have kept none. Current form is all that counts in head to heads not what happened six months ago. Yes we need to look at our defense in Europe and tactics, but i reiterate Chelsea have nothing to teach us, GG was doing all that stuff years ago and it worked in the Cup Winners with two consecutive finalsnot however in the CL even then. Wenger got to the Uefa 2002 final with his tactics and also to the Semi Final of the CL with Monaco. So he is not the no-hoper that GunGun obsessively keeps portraying him to be in Europe, nor is Mourinho any genius either, a boring b*****d though!.
steve martin
April 14, 2005
Observation, watching Sky advertise the Arsenal Blackburn game… They bill it as Mark Hughes 4 times winner as a player against Arsene Wenger 4 times winner as a manager, have we won it four time, I can remember, Newcastle 2-0, Chelsea 2-0 and Southampton 1-0 and a 2-1 defeat to Liverpool… Talking of which, Liverpool finish 30 points behind us last season, this season they are 20 points behind us, so in 70 games they have 110 pts compared to our 160 points collected in the same time, yet they are in the Semi’s of the champs league… Put it another way, Chelsea (81 pts) -v- Liverpool (50 pts) in the semi’s… Take 31 point difference off Liverpool and they would be 4 points adrift at the bottom of the league, they are closer to Norwich that Chelsea… The Champs League is fast becoming a joke competition… Last nights match was a joke for anyone who loves the beautiful game…
Dormouse
April 14, 2005
SF & Rich - England will be limited to 4 entrants to the CL next year even if an English team win it. My understanding is that if it is won by a team out of the top 4 in the PL, it is likely that they will be one of the English entries & only the top 3 clubs in the PL will go through by right of their position in the PL.
Niall
April 14, 2005
Is there anything worse than being cornered having a smoke by a guy talking football who admits he doesn't actually follow it and has very little interest. Go away and leave me alone, its 9am and it's raining. Congratulations to Rafa Benitez on a tremendous result last night. I've been very impressed with how he has handled himself this season amidst a shocking injury crisis and his progress in the Champions League and reaching the Carling Cup final has made it an excellent first season in England for the Spaniard. If he gets a few bob together, expect Liverpool to gradually rejoin the top clubs in challenging for the title. With all the talk about Mourinho, Benitez has been just as impressive this season with no where near the resources and I hope they reach the final only to lose to AC Milan by 6 goals to nil. Already had a few scousers gloating this morning and it reminds me of my school days and what the scousers are like when they win a few games. Unbearable. Got to agree with some of the posters about the amount of discussion of Chelsea lately. Speaking for myself but it's getting ridiculous reading some of the crass postings that are an insult to the intelligence of even the average reader. Generally, Chelsea have had A: Luck B: Are treating the rules of the game with arrogant disrespect (interesting developments on Ferdinand this week) C: Have too much money, D: have an excellent coach - even if you say he has 2 men for each position he has largely stuck to the same starting team and has proved himself at Porto anyway. One who was amusing at first but now is acting like a first class twat. E: They have been the better, more consistent team this season and fully deserve the championship. F: They don't play nice football like us but sometimes that can be to our disadvantage. Getting back to Arsenal, I think we can all agree that in the end it has been a good season for us when all the injuries are taken into account and given the average age of the team for the majority of the season. We've gone out of Europe basically because of individual errors in Germany that we couldn't recover at Highbury - where Bayern put in an excellent performance despite our win, I thought we were second best on the night. We are unable to change our game and mix it up - like other sides are capable of doing - but this is no new problem and has been ongoing for a few seasons. Wenger has made mistakes we have to admit, he should have had a goalkeeper and a defender sorted for the start of the season, but with the FA Cup Semi Final on the horizon (and the fact that I am not attending to jinx the side once more) we have a great chance of making the season worthwhile by beating probably Man U in the final. A win at Stamford next week will help alleviate the sense of gloom and put a spring back in the step of us Gunners I am sure. Then it's onto the summer and lets hope Wenger gets the notes out and brings some serious quality to the team for the last season at Highbury. Looking forward to next season already to be honest.
Rich
April 14, 2005
All of our best performances in the CL have been when we have gone at the opposition from the start and dictated our game on them. Very high tempo, closing down and fast incisive attacks. Even when we play well away (Inter 5-1, Roma 3-1) it is based on counter attacking at pace, we haven't sat back and defended against these teams, we may soak up the pressure but it wasn't deep, in our own box stuff like Liverpool last night. We could and should have beaten Bayern, but we lost the tie inside 4 minutes. Bayern were never chasing it against us like they were against Chelsea. It is frustrating to see Liverpool go through playing the way they do, but I don't think we should addopt that method - they players aren't suited to it. We just need a bit more luck and some more consistant performances, I thought when they scraped the 2nd group stage we would benifit....now, I know it'll never happen but I think if the knock-out stages were just 90 mins at a neutral ground we'd stand an even better chance. Lets not forget either that Liverpool have spent the best part of £40m this year too (Cisse,14 Alonso,10 Morientes,6 Garcia,6 and Carson,Josemi,Pelegrino,Nunez)
steve martin
martins@everhseds.com
April 14, 2005
EEG... I have booked you a space in the Eversheds Car Park... Perhaps you would give me a call and I'll give you insructions... I will e-mail you the pass..
Cannon Balls
April 14, 2005
OMOH, yes i guess that Rio who is more slippier than a greased pole in a lap-dancing club will be getting a few quizical looks and knowing winks from his partners in slime today at work. And none more so than from the drunken jock, who after appointing him to keep Rooney out of bother,hardly a stroke of genius!,and after last weekends shenanigans with Rooney will not be best pleased by the latest media disclosures regarding Rio. So there we have Rio seated at a table in a restaurant in London with 'super-agent' Pini Zahai',who also was involved in the Colegate affair, he get's about this guy, when with echo's of that, cue 'Pete the Manc' Kenyon's entrance. Well fancy meeting you here said Kenyon to Rio what a surprise!. By the way Rio how much are United offering you on your new contract then ?. Really!!!!, well that's not much for the worlds greatest CB in my view, we will give you 100 grand a week to play for us. Of course Rio loves it in Manchester all that rain and grimness, and he is looking forward to having his summer holdays cut short by having to play in Qualification games for the Champions League and relishes the thought of all the travelling up and down the motorway again for his nights out on the sauce in the West-End. It must all of been like with the AC3 biz,just an accident of fate nothing too it really.
Mee
April 14, 2005
GunGun: I couldn’t agree more.
Mee
April 14, 2005
Mea - What a quaint idea having a league of champions composed of champions! Its a lovely idea but try selling it to Canal+, Sky, . . . . . and then there are football directors and Chief Executives, like Kenyon . . .
gaz from OZ
April 14, 2005
As hard as this may seem I hope that either PSV or Milan win. Liverpool are last on my list. This is probably a generational thing but I had to put up with years of rubbish from pool supporters in their good years. Chelsea supporters have not yet got to that same level. Yet.
GunGun
April 14, 2005
Liverpools defensive performance was impressive. It once more shows if you cannot defend with discipline you need not turn up. It also shows that you can teach the art of defending pretty quickly. Rafas only been there for a season
and Mourinho too. Good ole Arsene though has been in the CL
for seven years now with the same club and still, defensively we are caught out time and time again. The two away games against Valencia and the two away games against Bayern were for me indicative about Arsenals defensive play
in Europe. Thus, I don`t think it matters so much who you have in your defensive line-up, it is more a matter of drilling discipline and positioning into them . Arsene has obviously got the midfield and forward line beatifully
tuned over the past years but o that defense. I could not have seen Arsenal getting last nights draw in Turin.
The 5-1 performance at San Siro against Inter must rank as the highlight of our CL outings.
Juliano
April 14, 2005
I must admit I found Nigel's post quite strange too. On the facts point of view, Ranieri took Chelsea to a CL semi final last season so right now Mourinho hasn't done more on that matter, granted they're flying in the league but they've also bought 7 new first teamers : it helps. And I don't mention Jiri Jaroszik. Secondly, how insensitive of you to claim you know what Steve Gleiber would or would not have liked?
Bernard
April 14, 2005
But EEG, are you forgetting my wonderful hairstyle? I was interested to see it took you about a year to perceive that Cannon Balls doesn't like Ferguson and Chelsea all that much. What gave you that impression, as I've never noticed anything like that myself?
Rich
April 14, 2005
How frustrating is the Champions League? or better named 'European knock out competition' We know we are better than PSV and Liverpool, but thats the way knock-out football goes. Barca,Bayern and Inter are probably better than them too. But how many teams in the Premiership are better than Blackburn, who have reached the same stage in the FA Cup? The luck of the draw - finish top of your group and get Bayern then it would have been Chelsea, finish 2nd in the same group and see a Monaco,Lyon path to the semis. So we'll have to put up with gloating Liverpool fans now, this is the main reason I want Everton to get the 4th spot.....even if Liverpool win the CL and get 5th they WILL NOT be in the CL next season, I've got a feeling the rules have changed regarding the winners going straight back in. Also does anyone know if you are banned for 2 or 3 yellows in the CL, if it's 2 then Chelsea have virtually their intire first XI of 1 yellow..........
Decaf
April 14, 2005
EEG, I have the greatest respect for lawyers-fulfil a vital function bloodsucking on capitalist body politic, etc. The paper was just saying there are just too many of the EEGer*s chasing too few ambulances. Kiwi, I know exactly what you mean, and have detailed my slaves to inspan the ox-wagon for the long trip up north.
old man of hoy
April 14, 2005
A grey day in London. How will local government survive in this great city if i hang around on this site? I rush off with a number of burning questions in my mind. Why do we press harder on a remote control when we know the batteries are flat?
Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet?
Why doesn't glue stick to the bottle?
Why do they use sterilized needles for death by lethal injection?
Why do Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
Are there specially reserved parking spaces for "normal" people at the Special Olympics?
If you send someone 'Styrofoam', how do you pack it?
If people evolved from apes, why are there still apes?
What level of importance must a person have , before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
Why is it that people say they "slept like a baby" when babies wake up about every couple hours?
If a deaf person has to go to court, is it still called a hearing?
Why do doctors, when they ask you to strip, leave the room or close the cubicle curtain while you change? ..... They're still going to see you naked anyway.
Answers please - Rio do enjoy your day at Carrington - it will be very friendly.
old man of hoy
April 14, 2005
Not often that the two giants Juve and Bayern go out in same week. Hope this cheersthem up.
A woman arrives home from work and her husband notices she's wearing a diamond necklace. He asks his wife, "Where did you get that necklace?" She replies, "I won it in a raffle at work. Go get my bath ready while I start dinner."
The next day, the women arrives home from work wearing a diamond bracelet. Her husband asks, "Where did you get the bracelet?" She replies, "I won it in a raffle at work. Go get my bath ready while I start dinner."
The next day, her husband notices she arrives home from work wearing a mink coat. He says, "I suppose you won that in a raffle at work?" She replies, "Yeah I did! How did you guess? Go get my bath ready while I start supper."
Later after supper, she goes to take her bath and she notices there is only one inch of water in the tub. She yells to her husband, "HEY! There's only an inch of water in the tub." He replies, "I didn't want you to get your raffle ticket wet."
Cannon Balls
April 14, 2005
'Nigel',another unknown one namer popping up to have a go at me about mentioning Chelsea - while surprise! - surprise! going on about them himself in that oh so pompous and dreary 'fruitcake way', what a complete pillock this guy is!.Now personally i must admitt to not ever having liked people called 'Nigel', the name itself says something about their parents!; and they always seem to be know-alls these 'Nigels' lecturing everyone about their perceived short-comings, while at the sametime naturally being unable to see those of their own. 'Nigel' only posted to lecture me on not being nasty to the Chavs,these posts are so obvious who they are from that it's laughable!. Starting to get a little worried are we???. And by the way i was not Danny either who posted that anti- Chelsea post, though i agree with every word of it, i do not post using other names, so stop being paranoid ok???. There are believe it or not actually others apart from me who also dislike Chelsea on here and other boards and places. So stop trying to portray me as being some sort of obsessed Chelsea poster, your the one with the problem in that regard. You post about nothing else!
MEA
April 14, 2005
Ah but Man on the spot - How many times did we do Chelsea last season and they finally beat us in the CL? I think the scousers can do it.... otherwise I'm wearing my Italian colours for the final. It does go to show that the CL is not the definitive guide to the best teams in Europe. Sure Chelsea probably are one of the top four teams in Europe at the moment (Money can't buy me love, but sure buys me two first teams full of internationals - So Paul and John should have sung) but what about Liverpool? Hey, they are not even top four in England! The more i think about the CL, the more I equate it to a slightly better standard FA cup. If you're going to call it a Champions League, then make it a league of champions! All chamions of national leagues in Europe play each other home and away (or half of the matches at home and half away - a la 6 nations Rugby) over the course of a season and the European Champion is the team that is first in the league. - I know what you are all thinking! Radical Stuff! ... yeah right. Common bloody sense more like it!
Man on the spot
April 14, 2005
Chelsea have beaten Liverpool three times this season and I see no reason why they can't do it a fourth time. I expect to see a Milan/Chelsea Final. I can't see Aliadiere staying at Highbury. He's injury prone and not getting enough starting times. There is talk of him going to PSG.
SF Gooner
April 14, 2005
Doormouse said "And an extra incentive for Liverpool is that if they can win the CL, they relegate Everton to the UEFA Cup next season."
Is that correct? I thought in that even if Liverpool end up in the 4th spot, Everton (or whoever is 5th) would get into the CL, while the 6th and 7th spots would go to the UEFA Cup.
Maurice
April 14, 2005
Congratulations to Liverpool and Chelsea for making it this far. It bodes well for the Premiership. In past years, many have been lamblasting the Premiership as an also-ran league. With 50% representation in the Final, who can now say it is not a strong league. Let's hope we buy well in the summer and fly the flag for the Premiership next season. Wenger .... please refocus your thoughts towards a CL trophy.
AmericanGooner
April 14, 2005
Well, some of us were half right, SWP may be coming to London, but just not to north London: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,277-1568451,00.html
AmericanGooner
April 14, 2005
Its a little painful playing the 'what if?' game but had we gotten past Bayern Munich, I wonder how we'd have done against Chelsea and then assuming we beat them, Liverpool? Hmmmm....isn't the semif final format changed this year? Maybe I got it wrong, but there are no more replays right? Its a PK shoot out if its still not decided at the end of time? Have a feeling Blackburn may play for that scenario, if that scenario is what the game is under.
Parkerknoll Gooner
April 14, 2005
Well, well, those cheeky scousers. Interesting to see if they get pilloried in the media for only having 1 english player on show. A phrase I've heard numerous times this year is how luck evens itself out over the course of a season. If that is the case then chelsea could be in for a very interesting few weeks, starting I hope on wednesday with our lads tearing them a new arse and telling their arrogant twat of a manager to stick his head up it!
Nigel
April 14, 2005
It is amazing how Cannon Balls hardly makes a posting without somehow mentioning Chelsea. It is an unhealthy obsession. I think as a football forum we should stick to footballing facts, Cannon Balls. Nobody likes Chelsea here but to keep on saying they play crap football is non-sensical. Mourinho is a good trainer. Do you think Ranieri would have taken them to where they are now??? Hardly. Stop all of this swearing and insulting. It is not what the forum really wants to hear.I am sure it is not what Steve Gleiber would have wanted to hear either. You cannot attack everybody in this manner who does not agree with you, Cannon Ball. Learn to behave like other forumites, even if you disagree.
Danny
April 14, 2005
Nope it's just misleading. Everytime we get mentioned in same financial bracket as chelsea and Man Utd i feel like shouting at the radio. Imagine if Wenger had £100mill to spend in one summer. Chelsea have not only bought the title but they have carried with them an almighty slice of luck this year something that i don't remember us having last year, let's hope their luck runs out and we are no longer treated to this side of percentages and organisation.
AmericanGooner
April 14, 2005
Danny we are a victim of our own success in a strange way. We have built one of the best sides around on little money and its just assumed that we have spent to get this good, because its normally the case. Every September its always noted that we will struggle because we haven't strenghtened our squad enough with big money buys. **** If Liverpool do beat Chelsea, I wonder if that is enough to keep Gerrard from going to Chelsea? If they nick the 4th spot it just may be enough. **** I hear Terry picked up a knock. He may play but perhaps not at 100%.
Danny
April 14, 2005
Anybody get a feeling of dejavu. last year i remember a lot of us dreaded playing Chelsea in the CL quarters as they were due a win against us this year I bet Chelsea fans are feeling a sense of dread. If we beat them at the Bridge (which i think we will) that will be 2 losses on the trot, not the best preparation for going into the business end of the season. Arsenal need to beat Chelsea convincingly to place doubt firmly in their minds then it could get very interesting. Been listening to 606 and it seems Spoony has a real problem with Arsenal. and i'm sick of hearing presenters who should do their research placing Arsenal in the same spending bracket as Chelsea and Man Utd. Don't they know Birmingham and Spurs have spent more than Arsenal over the last 2 years? C'mon you Gooners just blast those Chavs on Wednesday.
AmericanGooner
April 14, 2005
It seems Liverpool is playing toward Benitez' strength which is playing well in Europe. I am going to assume his league standing is due to his learning the league this season. They seem a different club when playing in Europe though. CB and others I sincerely hope you are right and I don't think Liverpool is intimidated at all. May Man Yoo friend in London is cheering for the Reds...strange days these are. The only drawback is Dudek, he will do something to screw it all up. Carson has had 2 blunders that I've seen as well, one in the CL and one with the U21s that gave the German U21s a draw in the dying seconds. Kirkland must be out for the duration, he's clearly their best GK.
Dormouse
April 14, 2005
And wouldn't it be ironic if Owen left Liverpool the season before they won the CL to join a RM team who win nothing?
AmericanGooner
April 14, 2005
Pack your bags, sell all your worldly posessions, the final sign has come to pass. I am commisserating with my Man Yoo supporting friend about the evil Empire in west London and how football will suffer, etc., surely that is a sign of the end of days ;-)
Cannon Balls
April 14, 2005
American the first leg is at at the Bridge,we could be in Liverpools favour their home support will be strong for the second leg,and the Chavs struggled there in the Premiership and were lucky in the LC Final with that Gerrard own goal saving their necks.That game tonight was boring and i expect the tie will not have many goals eiher,i have a hunch that the Car Thieves with Alonso and Gerrard both with axes to grind will prove to be an hard nut to crack.
Dormouse
April 14, 2005
And an extra incentive for Liverpool is that if they can win the CL, they relegate Everton to the UEFA Cup next season.
AmericanGooner
April 14, 2005
Here's an interesting thought, without Chelsea in the equation this season would have been a wire to wire league title run with Man Yoo which may have to be decided on the final league game and both clubs meeting in the FA cup final! Shades of '99 almost.
Roast Beef
April 14, 2005
It's funny what a difference 24 hours makes, as there I was yesterday agreeing with the "Don't support another brit team just because they are playing in europe" group, and lo and behold I'm sitting there next day willing the car thieves onto victory. Fair play to 'em, and I know who I will be favoring in the semi's.
Brett
April 14, 2005
That was the most boring and dreadful game of football I've seen in a while.
JamesLT
April 14, 2005
AMERICAN: I know what you mean. It feels a bit weird suddenly becoming a temporary Bayern or Liverpool fan just to try and resist the menace that is Chelsea... I reckon the Scousers could even go on and win the CL. With Alonso and Cissé back they're gathering momentum at just the right stage of the season. They're drifting in the Premiership and could end up just saving themselves for Europe. They also won't be afraid of Chelsea. Chelsea could have a very, very tough two or three weeks. It could still turn out to be an interesting season.
AmericanGooner
April 14, 2005
Is the first game at the Bridge or the Kop? Well, Chelsea has to be the favorite, but its hard to beat the same club 4 times in the same season. We found that out last season. I don't know whether its wishful thinking or not, but my gut says it may not turn out to be an easy tie for Chelsea. This is a strange season. I will be finding myself cheering for Liverpool in a CL semi. Surely the end of the world is near as this has got to be one of the seven signs of the prophesized biblical apocolypse.
Cannon Balls
April 14, 2005
Kiwi,no problem Cobber i always available for advice to those who seek my wisdom!.Well played the Car -Thieves!, and they will not just be making up the numbers when they meet fellow long-ball merchants Chelsea. Minus Gerrard but with the excellent Alonso back having recovered from the broken ankle that Lampost inflicted upon him in the smash and grab raid they did at Anfield, they defended very well against Juve and deserved overall to go through,needless to say i wish them well in the Semi. Chavs v Car - Thieves,this should be an interesting if not very entertaining tie. I may even be tempted to watch, the other one looking a formality for the winners in waiting Shevchenko and the mighty AC Milan.
kiwipete
April 14, 2005
Cannon..not sure how I gained the prescient mantle but for your measured reply with a lack of invective I thank you. Decaf.. given your profound interest in pig activity suggest you work in Windhoek for a few months ["the abscence makes the heart etc" ] then maybe Mrs Decaf could supplant that wildebeest you have shackled to the fence.
MEA
April 14, 2005
What the **EEG, looks like Liverpool could be meeting Chelsea! What are the odds on another own goal from Gerrard?
Cannon Balls
April 14, 2005
OMOH,I predicted that Shevenenko would not receive a ban. To prove to Niall that my predictions despite what he claims are not all wrong!. Oh dear there must be a nasty conspiracy being conducted to stop Roman,Kenyon,Bruce Bucks,Mourinho from getting their mawky paws on the big-eared jug - surely not!. Here is a little joke for you thats in dubious taste. Posh goes to see the doctor.She says to him Doc every time i take off my panties my pussy starts singing 'Show Me The Way To Amarillo'. Don't worry the doctor tells her every ***t's singing it!.
old man of hoy
April 14, 2005
Coldiz - i tip my hat to a man who can get the esteemed Captain Beefheart into a post on this forum. I have known of 3 genius Dons in my time - Howe, Corleone and Van Vliet, the Captain himself. Wirral - apart from my lager swilling son thankfully i know none of the posters on this forum personally - that would be just too much to bear. I am however very close to Elle MacPherson, and that i can tell you is a lovely place to be. See UEFA have bottled it over Shevchenko - no ban for a head-butt while Mourinho sits it out on the sidelines for having told the truth about Frank "Gobber" Rijkaard's dressing room antics. As our old mate Cannon Balls might say - You Couldn't Make it Up if You Tried. Nice one Sylvain - an early goal for Lyon - if only we had played him at centre forward rather than in midfield? Find a man who scores 40 goals a season and play him in his right position - so simple when you think about it. Here's one to cheer up for poor old Jockroach.
Mother Superior ordered a couple of nuns to repaint one of the rooms in the convent. Her last instruction to them is to be sure and not get even one drop of paint on their habits.
The nuns brainstorm and decide the best way to ensure this is to strip down naked, place their habits safely in the middle of the room, and then to lock the door.
They proceed to paint the room in the nude. After some time, there is a knock at the door, followed by a voice, "Blind Man."
The 2 nuns look at each other, shrug, and decide there's no harm in letting in a blind man, so one of them unlocks the door and in walks a young man carrying a very large load in his arms.
The man says to the nuns, "Nice tits. Where would you like the blinds?"
AmericanGooner
April 14, 2005
Chelsea gave up 3 goals in a half and yes it could have been more, but its an aberration. I wouldn't call it a one off as we should have put 3 past them ourselves, but the vast majority of time as far as I can tell they will either have a clean sheet or give up one goal. If conceding 3 goals becomes chronic they can buy their way out of it. **** If Chelsea get to the final, I wouldn't mind a complete drubbing handed to them by Milan. I think it will be a boring 1-0 game and only slightly more entertaining than the Milan/Juve final but one can hope. **** Decaf, not sure if has a Tennesseean or Texan origin, but its definitely a southern saying. "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" **** Bernard, I have to add Barnet only because its where our reserves play and I visited their grounds last year while I was in London, so I have a bit of affinity for them. **** Das Grosen, which support are knowledeable? No disrespect meant, just curious. **** Part of me would like a Campbell/Senderos partnership to develop but I fear we'll end up with a Kolo/Cygan partnership for stretches of the season as both Campbell and Senderos are injury prone.
AmericanGooner
April 14, 2005
We got into the G14 with one title and a QF CL I think and finishing no less than 2nd. If Chelsea wins the title they'll have that and 2 consecutive semi finals in the CL which would make them seem elgible in terms of football performance on the pitch. It may be too early as its only their 2nd year with Romans money but if they finish runner up next season at least and also get at least get to the QF in the CL, it will be very interesting if we still do not hear of their acceptance. Their turnover to wages ratio or whatever that G14 use will be the official reason but the real reason will be what some of us on here have warned about. Barca, Bayern and some of the bigger clubs in Europe will see their financial power and its use and potential use(feeder clubs, tapping up players, hoarding players, etc)for what it is. And if it continues and UEFA does nothing, its one step closer to a super liga of the g14 clubs. **** Chelsea won't have it their way like this all the time. Fergie for all is faults and the manc support for all their arrogance at least conceded that they were very lucky in their treble year. We have acknowledged we had some fortune during our unbeaten season, the Chav support I know almost to a man won't concede anything. They say 'well, it all evens itself out in the end doesn't it?' when you bring up deflections and calls. They've been starved for 50 years so I can't be too upset. Its a 'by any means fair or foul' mentality for them after being denied for so long. Had they had a bit of history, they'd be a little embarassed at the money but they could really care less. Enjoy it while it lasts I suppose. **** Exiled, you're right in that we don't know what may or may not have actually been said. I can only assume it didn't happen (perhaps wrongfully assume) as a dressing down and things like that have a way of getting out. Wenger's talking to each man in his office did (Adams telling Paddy and Petit the defense needs help for an older example) so (and this is an assumption only) I am assuming something like Keane's rant didn't happen within the marble halls.
Andy Townsend
April 14, 2005
Moo Cowbells, a norwegian defender is joining on a bossman. His nickname is "the grazer" as he cleans up the space left by the other defenders. He is milking the plaudits in the league. Cheers.
Andy Townsend
April 14, 2005
Moo Cowbells, a norwegian defender is joining on a bossman. His nickname is "the grazer" as he cleans up the space left by the other defenders. He is milking the plaudits in the league. Cheers.
Cannon Balls
April 14, 2005
Well GunGunge the Chav loving no-brainer is back with more of his nonsense and with a new play-mate none other than the mad-hatter Whistling Dixie himself!. Ther's never been a comedy duo like this snce Laurel and Hardy were around. Not being caple of thinking upanything original the mad - hatter Jimmy resorts to using poor old GunGunges childish rantings,i just laugh at this nonsense but the pair of morons with nothing constructive to say on here just rants at everyone for one reason or another. Jimmy the racist with his vindictive attacks on Americans, for being Americans,what a twit he his. And Gungunge with his none stop preaching at all and sundry about Chelsea is a fruitcake and knows ****alll about football . Silly fool.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Sorry Tom cant play anymore - I am off to drink more lager, watch more football and prepare to go home and try not to see more mice. Tomorrow, I will be mostly doing the work I didn't do today.
Mee
April 14, 2005
Hey, Deano, I thought Lamps was great last night and Eiderdown too, I’ve heard he plays a blinder between the sheets. Its a pity Terry’s out of the Arsenal match, but he can catch up on the omnibus edition of Footballers Wives instead . . . .
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Thats a fair old orgy Tom - its not like Chelsea you know where all your proper supporters can **** eachother in the same room. In fact I think I saw just that in the News of the Screws a couple of weeks ago. And have you seen Bernard? It would take more than a shared club affinity I can tell you.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Bernard - Every time I have done something similar there was no point. I left at about 5.00 for the Spurs semi at Old Trafford and we bulleted up there and after a large fry up we were parked bang outside Old Trafford at eight ****ing thirty. There was nothing to do but go to sleep (which no doubt we could have done at home). It did lead to one of my favourite quotes from one of my mates who on waking up having driven straight from the motorway to Old Trafford opened his eyes and said "Manchester is a **** hole isn't it". Probably right but maybe not that fair. Anyway, the pubs in Cardiff wont even be open (I was actually queuing outside before the Chelsea game and that was a later kick off. Five is mental but the more the merrier as hopefully you'll all be there wandering around Cardiff and leaving the roads nice and empty for those who got up at a sensible time.
mojo
April 14, 2005
How many times will Chelsea begin their scoring with a deflection. It seems they can do nothing wrong? Ok, here's my scenario for next wednesday, Lunkard takes a speculative shot from 30 yards and it's heading for the corner flag, oh my word, it has struck Lauren and heads goalwards and, Oh no, it has trickled in past Lehman.....well, something like that, just trying to add a little bit of humour to the proceedings! Believe me, I despise the chavs, and it's not so much about the players. Right now, the sun shines out of Jose's a""e if you believe the papers. but just remember...."All Glory Is Fleeting"....Have faith fellow Gooners, our day will come once again and we WILL well and truly wipe that smirk off Moaninhos boat race.....with or without the billions....!!!!!
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Wirral - I dont think it takes long to get to know somethig about people. I already know you are a sandal-wearing, left-leaning, bearded teacher from merseyside. And I remember it took Daz but a few posts to work out I had a thing for Thai ladyboys. But of course some people are harder to penetrate (so to speak). It took me a year or so to work out Cannon Balls isn't that keen on Ferguson or Chelsea.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Not sure Mee - but clearly she is not very good at it. Are you sure she is working?
Mee
April 14, 2005
EE Gooner: Mrs Bertie Mee gets home at 7.00pm, has tea, starts planning and preparation and marking, goes to bed at 10.30, is back at her place of work by 8.00 the next morning, has no coffee or lunch breaks. Q. What is her job?
Bernard
April 14, 2005
EEG, the mates I'm going with are insisting on leaving at 5.00 am as well. Unholy poxy time to leave for a football match.
Mee
April 14, 2005
Wirral: I am a relatively new member here and it does seem rather incestuous, a bit like one of those parties where everybody knows each other while you try to make one glass of wine last a fortnight. Here is a handy checklist of words which may help you over your pre-forum nerves. Sophist, Zeitgeist, Spuds, Mancs, bar-codes, scum, car-thieves, Fergiscum, and drunken jock.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Thats the spirit Tom - now did you get to stay up to watch the game last night or did your mates tell you what happened?
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
You must be very sensitive souls GunGun and Jimmy. Now Cannon Balls will be the first to admit he can bore the arse off anyone BUT from the gutter? Really? You dont get out much do you?
Jimmy
April 14, 2005
I agree Gun,Gun. Cannon Balls is a gutter-snipe and everyone in the forum must be aware of it, except for a few like American Gooner who licks his arse.
A
April 14, 2005
EEG - thanks
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Sorry again everyone - I cant help it. See Wirral - thats what comes of having a primary school teacher as a missus!
GunGun
April 14, 2005
Cannon Balls, I am not the only poster to say that the Chelsea were tough. So did Old man of Hoy and Mee. You must read the other postings before wetting yourself about what I say. You see, Cannon Balls, you have a rage problem . I can see you, sitting in front of your computer, that little tremble in your hand and voice, a bit of spit in the corner of your mouth and that twitch of hate in your eyes and face. You are a man from the gutter and you write like one.
Why don?t you drop the Cannon and just call yourself Balls when you post. We will still all know who you are.. half-witted and hate ridden **Arsenal play by far the best purest football, a bit like Brazil in the old days until Brazil realized they had to toughen up their defense. One day, when Arsenal do that and providig the team is still together we won`t be talking about Chelsea anymore who looked all in all relatively mediocre despite all the money spent and at best solid.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Allinson/Tenbob - I have been three times now and each time I just drive into Cardiff and then look for a place to park the car that doesn't seem that far away. Always ends up somewhere different. One place was near a street full of "massage parlours". Nice but a bit early. One was near a hospital. And the other was really close but who I'm buggered if I can remember where it is. The hospital was a fair old walk but given my mates always insist on leaving at about 3 in the morning it is a way to kill the time. Nothing in Cardiff is that far from the stadium because it is a small Welsh town. Some other mates usually park in an NCP very close to the stadium but they really are leaving at 5am! because the story is that the centre is closed to traffic from 10am (although I dont know if being in the centre is that good come exit time). Anyway, thats the best I can do I afraid. Drive into Cardiff and park where seems
closish.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
No worries Wirral - as for whether people know eachother there are no doubt some who have met - I have met a couple of people on here - but mainly its down to the fact that quite a few have been on here a fair while and it doesn't take too long to build up a persona.
Bernard
April 14, 2005
I saw a Panarama recently devoted to Glasgow's football rivalries and the impression it gave me was Celtic have just as many bigots supporting them as Rangers.
steve martin
swmartin@ntlworld.com
April 14, 2005
forgot e-mail address
steve martin
April 14, 2005
Do what I do, just across the road from the Mell Stadium is a big brand new glass/grey building, with EVERSHEDS in 4ft high letters on it, park in their car park, but then I work for them, you don't... Seriously though, let me know your car reg number and I'll call them and see what I can do... E-mail adress provided...
Gunfire
April 14, 2005
I think most gooners pity the spudz at this stage. I hate Manure and Chelsea especially for denying us an unbeaten run in 91 and because they are chavs. I also hate Glasgow Rangers for being bigots and admire Celtic for their fans support especially in Europe. After Hearts fans booed the minutes silence for the pope I'll add them to my list of hate along with Bolton and Francos finest Real Madrid. Have a sneaking liking for Soton.
Cannon Balls
April 14, 2005
Kiwi,Barca were robbed, Chelsea cheated to win the tie this is common knowledge and a ascertainable fact. Mourinho was accused by Uefa officals of lying about incidents in the Madrid leg to put pressure on the referee in the return one at Stamford Bridge, which we know worked. That is a matter of record, and Mourinho was convicted of lying and received a touchline ban. The foul committed on the Barca keeper that helped Terry to score the winner is also a matter of record with numerous pundits, even pro-Chelsea ones conceding that the goal should have been disallowed. Barca were winning the match up until that point with little time left to play, and no sign of them scoring in open play,nothing unusual of course in that. The free kick was make or break time. So your harping on that somehow i made a massive 'fauxpas' by tipping Barca to beat Chelsea is not supported by the facts. Obviously had i been aware before the game that match officials were in fear of their familys and own lives after threats from Chelsea thugs against Frisk who had dared to send off Drogba, then i would have been a little more circumspect in my predictions concerning the outcome of the tie. But i am not prescient like you obviously are. Knowing of this perhaps i even may have suggested that Chelsea - if allowed to get away with foul play might steal the tie by, oh.. let's say - the odd goal?.
Allinson I
April 14, 2005
As a first-timer at the Millenium on Saturday, can someone please answer Tenbob's question re parking tips & the park & ride. Thank you.
Wirral Gooner
April 14, 2005
Sorry Mr EEG, irony receptors all knackered after hard day at school.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Wirral - Yeah Mrs EEG used to pull that one - all the after-school work i.e. random ticks on a page while watching Countdown, all the preparation - i.e. cutting out animal shapes while sitting in the late afternoon sun, the holidays are not really holidays - admittedly she did have to fill in a term planner on her way back from the airport. And just in case you miss it again, I am not being serious. Mrs EEG worked in a Hackney primary school and it seemed a ****ing nightmare as far as I am concerned. Pain in the arse parents, some pain in the arse kids (though some nice ones), pain in the arse colleagues and management and loads and loads of needless admin. BUT - doesn't necessarily stop people doing it does it? And it cant be for the money. Is it just 'cos its easy to become one?! Cant be if the great Jose chose it. He could have been anything he wanted!
Wirral Gooner
April 14, 2005
I always preferred Barca to RM I think it was to do with my politics and the link between Franco and his support for RM. Likewise any Soviet era team had my support against mega buck capitalist westerners. By the way, as a relatively new poster to this forum i wonder do you all know each other or is that a question a massive breach of forum rules. It is just that at times you all seem so familiar with each other.
Parkerknoll Gooner
April 14, 2005
I have always hated the mancs, often at unhealthy levels, sp*dz has lessened over the years to more pity than anything else. chelsea if they continue the way they are could develop into a hatred, I quite liked mourinho for giving the bird to the stretford end but the way he responded after the final was ungracious and classless and he seems to have built on that ever since. I'm with Decaf on the grudging admiration of Liverpool and did side with them in their European adventures, we were never likely to emulate them back then so I guess it was easier to show some allegience to English clubs abroad. Teams I have fondness for are Hibernian, think it was the green version of our kit that did it although Marinello threw cold water on that one, Ajax, thanks to Cruyff, Krol and Neeskens (sp?), Watford and Plymouth Argyle.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Decaf - That is a cracking statistic. How does it materialise? Being a drain on GDP is quite an achievement. Do those who work less and spend more time on forums take less out of the economy?
Wirral Gooner
April 14, 2005
Without wanting to rile Mr EEG both Mrs Wirral amd myself are teachers and it is a tough old job.Especially at the primary end of things when the planning and prep. is just getting plain daft. As for dislikes, I grew up in the 1970's in the north west so it feels natural for me to hate Liverpool and Manure. Spuds are just a waste of space and Chavski are new money, a tiny bit common.
Decaf
April 14, 2005
E*G, I read a paper in a respectable journal that showed that each lawyer you knocked off in the USA would add $50 000 to GDP. But of course lawyers are far better in the UK.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Of course - I am sure Jose would succeed as a surgeon - providing of course his sugar daddy provided him with the finest operating theatre and support staff. No doubt - he could be a racing driver - it would have to be Ferrari and not Minardi though. Hell - he might even make it as a health administrator if he could afford Bernard's consultancy rates. Yeah - you are right Das Grosen - the man is so ****ing great he could be anything he wanted to be. Now remind me what he was before he arse-licked his way into football by carrying Bobby Robson's bags? And before any teachers get uppy, Mrs EEG was one too before she entered premature retirement so I know just what an easy game it is. Almost as easy as being a lawyer. Though not nearly as useful.
Decaf
April 14, 2005
I've always had a sneaking regard for Liverpool, and (I blush) Real, and for no reason, Partick Thistle and Hull City (ugly though the name is). Spuds have a special place at the bottom of my list, especially after their 99 capitulation and handing Manure the title, but in a sense I like them for this, because I enjoy their misfortunes so, and they are so predictably and satisfactorily dire. Rather like Chocolate Gooner. Chelsea and Manure are merely hated.
Decaf
April 14, 2005
Thanks, James L*Te. I just though that if it was "pig rising" one could be part of it, or should that be "pig uprising"? Leftist I think, as I'v always thought pigs a bit pink, to say the least. Could one be part of the "Zeitgeist den [von?]Schweinsteiger". Perhaps our budding Orwell, American Goon could write a novel on the subject?
Juliano
April 14, 2005
Sorry if it's been said before, I mentioned yesterday that the tripods on each side of the south stand were in place, ready to receive the remaining halves of the primary trusses : well the second half of the western primary truss is there today!
Fred
April 14, 2005
I hate Chelsea with a passion for these reasons, they "bought the league" they are going to dominate the Prem after Arsene worked so hard to build a world class team the traditional way! Roman A. Instead of doing something useful with his cash he decides to give Chelsea FC near a billion and the fool aint finshed yet! Mourinho and his horrible coaching staffs off the field antics. Frank"smuggest footballer in the western world"Lampard and the fact that Chelsea fans consider us their derby when their derby is Fulham! etc,etc etc. I like to say more but I don't want to spoil the surprise! We play Chelsea soon if they win that game you will see their true colours emblazened across your TV screens! After THAT game come on this board and tell me how much you love them! You short sighted fools!!!!!!!!!
Your Chance To Play At Highbury
How about an SG Forum team?
April 14, 2005
http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?article=269776
Dormouse
April 14, 2005
On the subject of most hated teams, I have two categories. There are the teams that I truly hate and these are generally those that clog or cheat are arrogant etc. These include Manure & Chelski; used to include Birmingham some years ago when they were a clogging team - I prayed every year that they would be relegated. Then there are the rivals such as the spudz - I love putting one over on them, hate losing to them but can't say that I really hate them in the way I hate the others. With the Chelski Vs BM game, I think we all hoped for the outcome that felt best in our own situation. I can understand Gooners in Germany rooting for Chelski, but I would have liked to see them lose, though I did not expect it. Will they root for Chelski or Juve (or L'pool) in the SF? I'll be against Chelski all the way, & that's partly because they're cheats as well as rivals.
JamesLT
April 14, 2005
Yes, the direct translation of Schweinsteiger is 'pig-climber'. Very bizarre. An even more obscene variant would be Schweinbesteiger, although Schweinsteiger is suspect enough to my ears. The Germans do like their pork, if you get my drift. Rather like Wales, where men are men and sheep are nervous, I'm sure the German porkers get a bit twitchy when Bastian Schweinsteiger makes one of his trademark slalom runs towards them on some remote Bavarian farmstead... DECAF: Not sure if it's possible to be "part of the Schweinsteiger"... I think it's more an underground pasttime in the remote mountainous regions of Bavaria than a cultural mood.
Das Grosen
April 14, 2005
Because he will do what ever it takes to win , he is the type of guy that would succeed in any proffesion he put his mind to. I need to go so good luck for the blackburn game :)
Dormouse
April 14, 2005
Das Grosen - why do you make someone who is a liar and a cheat your #1?
Coldiz
April 14, 2005
The translation is Pigclimber...seriously !!!
Coldiz
April 14, 2005
Hi James,I agre with you 100%.I did feel a little sorry for Beckenbauer at halftime on Premiere World.I have masive respect for this guy and he idolises many english traits of our charachter.Í saw the Bild Zietung this morning and the title was Bad Luck Bayern...I can´t think o the Sun or Mirror ever scribing Hard luck Arsenal or Almost Liverpool.More like Arsenal fail yet again or Liverpool in Crisis,major clear out to be announced.the german mentality is almost the same as Schumacher.Most can´t stand him but he is German so we will support him.We need a hero to dilute our cultural mechanised organised brain,hey loud bright colours,Captain Beefheart,acid and a Feng Sui book.ahhhhh
Decaf
April 14, 2005
Babelfish gives "pig riser" which is idiotic. Can you help, James or one of the other German speakers?
Das Grosen
April 14, 2005
I apreciate any stroke of genius , be it arsenals flowing football , or Mourinhos tactics and ability to deflect all negative attention from his team to himself .
By the way good luck in the fa cup for saturday . ciao .
Decaf
April 14, 2005
How can a neutral accuse fans of lack of passion? Look in the mirror. *** Kiwi, you can give me literal translations, but what does Schweinsteiger MEAN? Is is possible to be "part of the Schweinsteiger"? More to the point, wouldn't a nice big fast skillfull brute like SS be more likely to prosper here than SWP, either on our right (Lauren would be bereft, receiving no more gentle laybacks from Fred) or down the middle? I've liked the look of SS every time I've seen him play.
coldiz
April 14, 2005
oder ????
steve c/o Coldiz
April 14, 2005
Hi Mick,das stimmt nicht,when you have been over here for years one gets to know lorryloads of ultra supporters.I watched the game and wanted Bayern to win because any team that directly or indirectly threatens Arsenal I want to lose.Some othe the german fantics have a better understanding of world football than most of my mates back home.Bayern are utd,utd are Bayern...(okay 3 ecs ifference)hate them both as do many real footy fans here,but Chelsea are the enemy at the gates at this present time.saying that most Germans-pre Berlin wall 9O have a conception of fair play-some quirky English trait..which is a positive thing.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Das Grosen - what a weird way to follow the game. And then to criticise a lack of passion from Arsenal fans. So what is your passion? Jose ****ing Mourinho? Weird. People with passions like that usually end up needing a check up from the neck up. As a neutral you should care even more about the quality of the football and what does it matter to you if a team is successful or not? If I was a neutral, I would very rarely watch Chelsea because most of their matches are ****. I watch them because their opponents are invariably my second favourite team. Your approach is bizarre to me.
East End Gooner
April 14, 2005
Mick - That was Arsenal losing. Not nice for you but many of us have endured lots of crap when Arsenal lose. But Chelsea? Your attitude to them should be "who gives a ****"? Chelsea dont represent English football anyway. They are a Russian franchise. It would disarm them if you were supporting Bayern. How can they take the piss if you come in and say "delighted - thank God you beat that bunch of w*****s"? And you have a bit of a complex. I dont see anyone on here telling you how nice the germans are. The posts were about how many of us can never support a domestic rival against ANY foreign opposition. I dont give a **** about the Germans. As a club I find Bayern pretty arrogant but I just dont care because they dont piss me off on a daily basis. You are in a different and minority situation that just doesn't affect me. My comments are directed at people who I assume dont live in Germany - like the slavouring GunGun. their attitude is plain weird.
Das Grosen
April 13, 2005
I dont support any team , I follow players and managers , i love Mourinho , dont care about chelsea so much , i like Arsenals football a lot at times but despite what i read on here ( no offense at all meant to anyone) a lack of passion and knowledge on the whole of arsenal fans is the reason i do not follow the club . Again i say no offense meant.
I respect man uniteds success also and i like Benitez and hope he wins tonight :-) I am neutral , I like arsenal as a club but mourinho is my #1 at the moment.
JamesLT
April 13, 2005
MICK: I'm based in Bavaria and half my office was delighted Bayern lost. Apart from the genuine supporters in Munich and Bavaria most Bayern Munich fans in Germany are the same sort of middle-brow, nondescript glory-hunters who follow ManUre back home... No fan of Dortmund, Hamburg, St.Pauli, or 1869 Munich though would ever cheer a Bayern victory against anyone... Stuttgart is a boring little nothing club - albeit with an excellent team - so I'm not surprised people in Stuttgart were backing Bayern...
Mick
April 13, 2005
Which one of you has ever had to endure all the scorn amd contempt that was showered upon me by the Germans after Arsenal lost to Bayern? The answer: none of you.
I am here in the depth of Germany and have to put up with it all and you guys back home want to tell me how lovely the Germans are. Well, they are some of the times...except when it comes to football and their sides beating PL clubs. I don`t care if you start saying these are anti-German postings. They are not. However, you have no idea what one has to put up with here. You are not alone in England. There are Arsenal mates around the corner. But out here things are different. I can`t believe it. An English website viciously defending the Germans. Incredible.
Rich
April 13, 2005
Anyone else notice that Chelsea's defence is leaking a lot of goals at the moment, Gallas is unhappy at being played left-back and he's got a point. The stats show that when he and Terry play the full game together as a pair of CB's they have only conceded 1 goal all season! With Ferreira and Bridge out for the season I think he'll have to put up with staying on the left. Huth looks very uncomfortable at RB and Carvalho is nowhere near a £20m defender, relies on holding and tugging players and goes to ground to quickly. Gallas is the only pace in that back four. I wouldn't mind picking him up in the summer if he continues to get frustrated at playing LB. Chelsea have been playing Gudjohnson in CM, and as good as he is, he isn't a defensive midfielder. With Lampard breaking forward and Duff and Cole not doing so much defensive work (Cole is getting better) the steadyness of the back four with their sheild of 3 in-front has gone a bit. I know this is another post about Chelsea but I feel it's justified as they are our next big league game only a week away And I'm not taking the Semi for granted, we should breeze past Balckburn, they can keep it tight but they dont have the attacking stregth to win it.
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Oh - and whatever you say about Wenger (and Mourinho is just today's man - they were saying the same stuff on unprecedented preparation and attention to detail about Wenger when he first came into the English game) I am pretty confident that lack of a plan B or otherwise, throw him £100m or so more than any of his opponents and we wouldn't be worrying too much about our lack of success in Europe anymore. That is why I suggested these arguments about Chelsea were wrong a couple of weeks ago. Because people ignore the very foundations and say stupid things about Mourinho's greatness as if it has nothing to do with the fact that he has two first teams of an overall value higher than any other side in the history of the English game.
Mick
April 13, 2005
Chelsea spared our blushes. Brits abroad do not like to be made fun of by their German colleagues about yet another PL side going out to a Bundesliga side. If you had read and understood the German press before the game you would know what I mean. Thank goodness the Bavarian scum are out. You just wait till their president is UEFA boss. I live in the Stuttgart-area and not ONE German was for Chelsea. You have a strange conception of the Germans back home. Not very real.
Of course, I would have preferred the Gunners to go through. But abroad you do not care so much about local rivalries.
jeremy
April 13, 2005
Seems all the rumours linking us to new players have all but stop.Perhaps we might have to expect the unexoected.Let's hope we might finally be able to see some big names AND NOT MAKE-SHIFTs coming over next season.VOTBAG!!!
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Well thats your take on it Das Grosen but in my view it is a massive betrayal of the game that when you have been given a serious advantage over everyone and unprecedented wealth and spending power you use it in such a pragmatic and uninspiring way. The only way for anything good to come out of such a destructive force to football would be for it to produce a fantasy team capable of fantasy football. Just think of the players you could put together but we get Didier Drogba and Tiago. It is laughable **** really. I mean ok for now if you are a desperate Chelsea fan but there is nothing in it for the neutral. You are wrong that football is only about winning things. From the day they started charging people to watch it, whether at the game or on TV, it became about entertainment. Now winning provides its own sort of entertainment - even winning ugly but it doesn't sustain things in the long term.
kiwipete
April 13, 2005
Thanks EEG..feel a bit macho... but while your football knowledge is generally unsurpassed you are obviously new to the Ratocide scene. The reason they don't supply the instant cyanide strychnine pills you advocate is the bludgers could topple down between the wall linings and supply the EEG household with sweet fragrance of rotting vermin for several weeks. The poisons used are multi purpose ...make them thirsty and slower acting hopefully giving the bludgers time to go outside in search of water. Get down to the local hardware store and do the business the look adoration in Mrs EEG's eyes as you strut past with the trap and corpse will pay dividends.
but...but Cannon it was you banging the double bass about Barca putting the Chavs out and at 52 given the bilious nature of the majority of your posts would a full check up with the local GP not go astray.
Das Grosen
April 13, 2005
People need to realise the point of football is to win games and tournaments , if you think a good team is judged by scoring goals created by good team moves, then you are mistaken. Wenger can only play one way , he cannot go long ball or rely on set pieces , Mourinho will look at things like a lack of height of opposition players and revert to balls in the air , wenger needs to learn to do his homework , before he can be compared to mourinho , and until he does learn to mould his style of play based on things other than his own players ( ie, opposition players, weather conditions , opposition style and training ground stuff like set pieces ) Arsenal will never succeed in europe.
Which is sad because imagine Like an Arsenal - Barca final .
Cannon Balls
April 13, 2005
das grosen,Arsenal have scored more goals than Chelsea and a lot of these so called 'chances' that the stat's say Chelsea create are just speculative shots from range in the hope that somehow they will end up in the back of the net. Others headers at goal from corners and free kicks .Compared with our fluent passing game and often fantastic goals the more mundane fare placed on offer by Chelsea although effective though the signs are that it's not so much now as earlier in the season looks poor on the entertainment front This is shown by the amount of TV Viewers switching off when the Chelsea games are on tv.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 13, 2005
Kiwi - if I was going to hate everyone that took points of us in the mid 70's it would be a bloody long list!
kiwipete
April 13, 2005
Exiled.. yeah remember that and Eric Morecombe a Luton fan giving it the sneeze routine Ah ..ah ah Arsenal. and with their shitty plastic pitch taking points off us when we were both mired in the relegation battle 74 was it... ?
Decaf..Schweinsteiger..what about Pig Crate?
das grosen
April 13, 2005
how do you judge a team as boring, on stats ,chelsea create the most (by some way) shots in EPL ... they have the best defensive record also.
So how can the team who create the most chances and concede the least goal be boring ?
Is it just that having a solid defense is boring, or do you call them boring because they are pissing on arsenals cornflakes in the EPL ?
P.S Henry and Reyes to 1860 next season pls haha :)
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Harcore Kiwi - You have my respect as I am not sure I could deal with the whole trap thing. A gentle pre-cooking of the bait is also a very nice touch. No I have resorted to the council killers who have put the poison down. Little ****ers are munching away on it and are not dead yet. Apparently it is a slow process. Why? Its not a ****ing sport (well not for me anyway). Why dont they put down some proper poison that kills them on the spot? If its some kind of health and safety thing then thats a little too ironic for me. Gradually getting more used to them but its not doing me much good that I am much more comfortable with the b*****ds with a few beers inside me.
Cannon Balls
April 13, 2005
Kiwi, err.. Porto beat Chelsea 2-0 away?, and Bayern last night 3-2 after out-playing them, and we all know that Barca were cheated out of the win that they deserved after beating Chelsea in Spain 2-1- blimey! a lot of defeats here, and Barca were on the verge of doing so at the Bridge but for the unorthodox methods used on their GK and the linesman putting down his flag after raising it for a foul which would have meant the Chavs being out of the CL. So before you come clumsly charging in with one of your own inane posts try and get your facts straight,your making GnGuns ramblings seem logical by comparasion.And incidently i never made those predictions that you atribute to me,i have stated that AC Milan are a better team than Chelsea and will win the CL and i can't see what is stupid about that.Your own post though like most of them was couched in ambigious trivialty and hardly worth the trouble to read. Stick to the antipodean analogies your on safer ground there.
Mee
April 13, 2005
Bernard: I have to own up as being responsible for starting this ‘clubs you hate the most’ listing. Quite a few people have posted that Man City are among the clubs which can be tolerated. Could it be anything to do with their neighbours? Moving this listing thing over the border - Motherwell and Hibernian are the two scottish clubs I always like to see winning. I have absolutely no idea why.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 13, 2005
Kiwi - talking of Luton does anyone remember their 'away fan ban'? I remember some mates with foresight had become 'members' at Luton and a member could take 3 (or was it 4?) guests in. So we trotted down there expecting the odd Gooner to have gone along. Stood on the home end, and kept noticing faces we 'knew'. Anyway, we scored and probably 2/3's of the 'home' terrace was jumping up and down celebrating. Jolly japes (but to be honest every time I see someone in a straw hat - not too often fortunately - I have this urge to give them a smack. As for Wrexham, well that's in Wales so I didn't think it'd need mentioned...
kiwipete
April 13, 2005
Exiled ..those concealed hatreds what about Wrexham, York City,Swindon Town,Luton Town [ with their plastic pitch] and any of those other disrespective little upstarts who didn't wave the white flag when the Arsenal juggernaut rolled into town. Cannon..."this moron Gun Gun who" ... isn't this not a little rich coming from a raving demented half wit who dribbled on ad nauseum about Porto, Barca, Bayern all taking Chelsea to the cleaners. Decaf.. you poetic little brute.. the signifigance of the nestegg meridian escapes me but not surprised the Australian's claiming the Kiwi as they have with Jackdawis Russellinus [ Russell Crowe ] EEG... last night experienced your frustration the sounds of a basteard rat gamboling in the ceiling BUT today vegeance is mine says the Grim Reaper. Usually favour bacon but got piece of cheese and chicken dash of olive oil into the micro wave to get juices freed up onto the trap and just ten minutes ago bastard started his beach volleyball then all went quiet [thought bet he is having a shifty ] and then WHACK a bit of scuffling couldn't have been a clean hit but just had a peer and there is the big bastard stretched out rigor mortis right across the nose.
Cannon Balls
April 13, 2005
Mee,i am no spring chicken myself being 52 in June i'm a Gemini though and we tend to look younger than we are due to our childish minds!.But your analogy with those players you mentiion seems a poor one.Though i never saw them play.A bit before my time the Mee era was just starting when i first was taken to Highbury, at least from what i can recall at any event.I have no doubts that we can beat Chelsea or any other side in the EPL provided that we play to our best or near best form.Or that any team could beat us if we do not.They usually though only get a draw we do not lose many games,and never against Chelsea other than the CL tie when we led after out-playing them in the first half but like against United recently threw it away with some poor defending and goalkeeping. With our defence back to performing like an Arsenal one instead of a Spuds 7 clean sheets out of eight and with Sol back we can take on the Chavs who paradoxically after having being portrayed to be impossible to score against for much of this season, have now started leaking goals faster than the Titanic shipping water after it hit one of those Ice-Bergs that Mourinho compares himelf too. Taking account of the history of the league matches between the two clubs and of our tremendous overall one under AW against fellow London clubs,i only regard Chelsea to be rivals, i can see no reason not to go into the match with confidence of getting a result. The only 'fly in the ointment' being that we have to play in the FA Semi and the Chavs are getting a break. Hopefully an early couple of goals will knock the stuffing out of Old Sparky's robots,they have they have big-girls blouse Robbie;jobbie'Savage back, and then we can win through on cruise-control to save our energy for the thrasing we will dish out to Mourinhos long-ball merchants.
Decaf
April 13, 2005
EEG, OK, but I think it was the 16s. Quarters were Chelsea. Hoof at rightback should be a jubilee for TH and Bob, and is good news for football in general. If Chelsea persist with that back four, I only wish we had someone good enough on the right to have a go at Gallas too. If Chelsea sit back against Juve like they did last night they might well get roasted. Alex, I think our defensive problems are due to our players getting in each others way, so the wider pitch will actually help. Hence my estimate that we would concede fewer goals. Note that this is not a post hoc rationalisation.
Alex
April 13, 2005
JA and RVP looking good together apperently. Possibilities for the future? Do you think Wenger will actually play Sederos and Campbell? That would be qiute a statement of intent. Poor old Toure. I hope he at least gets to be an important member of the squad, in a utility function. He was magnificant for us last year, and he's still so young.
Alex
April 13, 2005
The talk of a 'plan B' is getting boring. To spend much more time on such a different style and buy players for that end, would comprimise our current style, that has brought such joy and consistency. To play like Aresanl have under Wenger (the most successful Arsenal manager ever!) takes complete commitment to his philosophy and style. Trying to hedge one's bets would lead to indecisiveness, lack of fluency, and failure. The only gripe I have is if we are going to be so unproductive with set-plays (which are unavoidable), take them all short, and carry on with the passing game. If not, practise them! It is not being unfaithful to the 'beautiful game', just practical. Our defense would get more practise at them as well then .
Alex
April 13, 2005
A bigger pitch will benefit are attacking players, and style of play in general, but I don't like the idea of anymore space in between are defenders!
Alex
April 13, 2005
I also watched the Milan game. The first half was sublime football. They're not even the top two in Italy. Is the PL really as good as the Italian? The Arsenal vs Chelsea game was as good as anything in Europe, but how many games do you get of that quality in the PL? Fantasic footballers. Anyone who thinks that the best players, in the best teams of Italy are going to 'walk' to Arsenal, are fooling themselves. I hope no one on this forum will decend to the 'they should be kicked out of Europe', or, 'its only us that get punished' diatribe. We have not got anywhere near a stage where we can point fingers. We should also not forget what English fans were guilty of in the first place to get punished. Leave others to deal with thier on problems, because we have enough of are own. It all smacks of xenophobia to me, and sounds an awful lot like one of Fergys anti-foreigner outbursts. Shevchenko will be banned, and Inter will be ordered to play some matches behind closed doors. Too right too. Toldo! No thanks! We don't need others past it rejects. Have some pride, we need the next best thing. Chelsea never looked like losing, but without Toure's blunders, neither did we. Quite glad that Bayern were made to put up with what they did to us. See how you like negative football. You're not much going forward are you! We don't want Ballack here as by all accounts he's a bit of a big headed W!"£$R. I also can't bare Fergy or Jose winning in Europe, but logic tells me that it's better for Arsenal for PL clubs to do well in Europe. The better the PL, the better we become. Also, it makes are domestic acheivements more valuable, and better players will be attracted to our club. Henry might also get the World Player of the Year award at last.
Bernard
April 13, 2005
Completely agree with EEG's post to Phil. To say Chelsea doing well in Europe benefits Arsenal is the most idiotic claim I've seen made on this forum, and that says something. Most loathed teams for me are, in order: (1) Chelsea (2) Man Utd (3) Tottenham. Chelsea are there in first place because I can see Abramovich ruining the sport by making it uncompetitive and his club now represent everthing that's bad about the game. Taking on Exiled's line about disliking obscure clubs, I really dislike Barnet a lot. I spent much of my life living in the borough, so I guess it's due to that. The other English club I have an affinity with is Manchester City, and clubs outside England I like are Glasgow Rangers and Bayern Munich. I quite like Atletico Madrid too, but don't bother to look out for their results all that much.
Mee
April 13, 2005
EEG: Its those ‘devestating twenty minute spells’ that seem to be beyond us in Europe this season, although you could argue that Toure had a devastating 20 seconds against Bayern in the first leg. I agree with you about Chelsea being malleable (sp) and linguistically challenged, most of them make Beckham look like Jonathan Miller.
Mee
April 13, 2005
EEG: Its those ‘devestating twenty minute spells’ that seem to be beyond us in Europe this season, although you could argue that Toure had a devastating 20 seconds against Bayern in the first leg. I agree with you about Chelsea being malleable (sp) and linguistically challenged, most of them make Beckham look like Jonathan Miller.
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Matthew Harding Lower - I think it depends a lot on which Vieira turns up. In all our recent games apart from the second half of the Champions' League QF at Highbury and maybe the first half of this year's game, we have very much bossed the centre. Lampard is playing very well and Makalele better (though I reckon he was weak last night) but even Fabregas and Flamini dominated the centre in the second half at Highbury this season. Vieira and Gilberto (or Fabregas) are well capable of doing it but I am not as sure they will as I have been in previous seasons.
steve martin
April 13, 2005
Effectivness, for years we were called effective, but with the tag BORING attached to it... Chelsea are as if not more boring than we ever were, why are they not called plain and simple BORING!!! I never saw it back then, but Wengers opened my eyes, if we have to play like Chelsea to win or the Old Arsenal, forget it, give me what we have now...
tom
April 13, 2005
So Sol is ready for Saturday, I'm obviously reading the wrong newspapers! Good news. JA got another two last night? Might be worth having him on the bench Saturday.
Mee
April 13, 2005
Cannon Balls: When you have been supporting Arsenal for as long as I have and you first memories are of Derek Tapscott and Vic Groves scoring, then you are entltled to be rather cautious about predicting the outcome of games. For pessimism read realism.
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Mee - I certainly dont underestimate their effectiveness though it is fair to say I underestimated the speed with which Mourinho would organise them. One advantage (and one I think he looks for) is he doesn't have too many bright sparks there. The Bridge is not over-flowing with braincells and they are a pretty malleable and unquestioning bunch. I do think they have been exceptionally lucky at times (I suppose they buy a lot of tickets) but they do pull out results and I expect them to. I accepted they won the League some time ago. But funnily enough I think they are getting more praise at a time when their performance has dipped. Yesterday was just poor. They have played decent teams but apart from two twenty minute spells at home which have had devastating effect, they have been dominated by both Bayern and Barcelona. Eto missed a sitter in the first game that would have ended this all long ago and it took a blatent act of cheating to prolong it.
Mathew Harding Lower
April 13, 2005
yea last year was depressing for me and was definitly the day the title was decided IMO.
I fear not having Ferreira for this game will leave us with a weak right side defensivly ( v henry pires and reyes) , other than that im not too concerned anywhere on pitch.
Will be a close one (like the highbury clash) but Im confident. Heres to winning the title v F00lham 23/04
and good luck in Fa cup semis , i hope for an entertaining arsenal - united final .
Cannon Balls
April 13, 2005
Sol came through another reserve game last night a 3-1 win away with RVP scoring one from a free kick and Ali' getting the other pair. Aw's got to choose between Toure or Senderos for the semi now to partner Sol who again according to reports looked back to his best. After Saturdays tussle against Old Sparky's lot he should be spot on for the match at the Bridge, when we can continue our long run of taking points from the Chavs there, even giving them a goal start or more -Kan u - believe it!. Unlike pesmimistic Mee who comes over like someone you would not want on your side in the trenches! - and looking at the Chavs recent home performances against the likes of West Brum, and Bruces Brum i am feeling confident about the game.
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Matthew Harding Lower - Last year was great. When Gudjohnssen scored it looked as if you might have ended the hoodoo but we didn't just come back, we utterly bossed the game and should have had more. Sometimes momentum decides things and Gudjohnssen getting sent off seemed almost pre-destined. This year I reckon it will be somewhat different and we will have to buck the momentum to come up with something special. Last years game was when we won the League really, with United drawing against Leeds on the same day. To all intents and purposes, that day arrived for you lot at Ewood Park but a win on Wednesday would be the icing in the cake for you. I will be there again hoping that Alex Stewart and Dickie Attenborough look as miserable in the hospitality bar as they did last year!
Mee
April 13, 2005
EEG: You make some very good points to the overall shots/chance ratio, but would you not agree that this forum is guilty of underestimating Chelsea? Of course they cannot compete with the level of performance that we achieve, but their effectiveness in getting results can’t be denied.
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Mee - I dont think it is nonsense at all to think Henry would have watched yesterday and thought "I seriously hope he plays Huth at right back". I am not saying if we didn't have a game Henry would be asking for one but we are due to play them and I doubt Henry is quaking in his boots. Huth was absolutely **** as a right back and was skinned one on one four times and gave what should have been a penalty. Chelsea haven't kept a clean sheet for 12 or 13 games nowand their organisation looked suspect (which is why Terry ends up throwing himself about quite so much). Four centre-backs doesn't really work and seriously limits the width further forward. As for Cole, I haven't called him a show pony. Since seeing him as a youth (on video from a West Ham mad mate) I have been waiting for him to show. I think one of Mourinho's biggest achievements has been to turn him into a proper footballer.
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Cant really agree Mee. The "Chelsea made chances" thing is a bit rich. The ball over the top that Drogba couldn't reach wasn't a chance. Otherwise they had three. One deflected in, one well taken and one missed. That is it. If Bayern played into Chelsea's hands yet made 19 attempts and 9 blocked efforts (not sure whether the blocked is within the 19 or on top of) then heaven help Chelsea if Bayern hadn't made it easy for them. Just off the top of my head I can think of 7 very good chances that they should have scored from. That is more than I have seen at that level for ages. It wasn't scrambled efforts, it was good ones. And that doesn't take into account of a number of other decent chances and attempts. Oh - and why when Cech ****s up does it always squeeze wide? His fumble in the first half was piss poor and he has got away with similar in a number of games.
Mathew Harding Lower
April 13, 2005
Alright lads, as you can guess I will be at the bridge next weds , just posting to see if any of you are going , well looking forward to it ( and looking forward to winning) since you guys spoilt the party last season - after eidurs early goal) .
Also want to know what injurys or suspensions you have ( if any) .. at moment we got bridge, ferreira, parker , robben and kezzer all out . kezz might be ok though (bet you are worried lol)
cheers ,
Mee
April 13, 2005
EEG: Was this the same Joe Cole that this forum has been describing as a ‘show-pony’ for the last eight months? Our assessments relating to the perceived weaknesses of Chelsea’s team are distorting reality, and to suggest that Henry & Co are licking their lips in anticipation of what they might do to Huth and his mates is clearly nonsense. I wish that wasn’t the case, but we will soon find out. I have a feeling we might be pointing to more lucky Joe Cole deflections in the aftermath of that game.
Cannon Balls
April 13, 2005
Decaf, the only thing that i see about Chelsea in Europe being different to us is that they despite losing their last three away games and conceding 7 goals that they are still in the CL and we are not so that is in their favour!. And how can anyone having watched those games say that lucks not played apart?. We let in three goals away to BM so did Chelsea and in theircase it could have been a lot more. If you compare Chelsea's run in the CL with that of AC Milan it's like comparing chalk with cheese.There is a huge gap in class between the two and anyone who thinks that the Chavs are something special is living in La La Land wearing BTS!.Bring them on!!!.
Darren
April 13, 2005
Cannon Balls - I should have made myself clearer when I meant win the tie rather than an individual game. I'm pretty confident that Chelsea will find the going harder next year and they won't always get the rub of the green. Nice to hear le boss praising Phillipe Senderos. He is impressing me hugely at the moment.
Exiled InNewcastle
April 13, 2005
and don't forget Panathinaikos this season...
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Decaf - Celta Vigo quarters last season. And Inter just before then. Chelsea's first last night was a joke. The second was well worked. Scoring two goals was good but does not rescue the performance. It is extremely rare for a team to come back from two down in the Champions League knock-outs (once or twice in six years or so - sorry dont have the stats) and but for some very poor finishing and a couple of huge strokes of fortune Bayern would have done it last night. That two goals came late on is not the important thing. They shouldn't have needed either of them by that stage. And it was not by Chelsea's great play or comfortable defending that they did.
Mee
April 13, 2005
Decaf: As you said Bayern didn‘t deliver and played into Chelsea’s hands with the increasing use of tactics which Terry in particular was comfortable with. In pointing out Bayerns missed chances it might be an fair to mention Duffs chance in the second half - well saved by Kahn and Drogba beating the offside trap in the first half - Chelsea too, made chances. I think the paucity of Bayerns overall performance heightens the sense of disappointment I feel at the level of our own performance in the Olympic stadium.
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
I dont think Mourinho would have expected a non-stop barrage of attempts. He would have hoped to reduce them to long shots, not missing sitters like Ballack, Schweinsteiger and Pizzaro did, or having efforts headed off the line. It was NOT a comfortable performance by Chelsea in any way at all. Playing Huth as a right back against someone like Ze Roberto was ****ing madness and he was lucky Cole worked his arse off to cover his embarassment in the second half. Henry should be licking his lips at the pospect. Carvalho can be a bit of a joker as well. Great at tugs and knocks but positionally a bit suspect. It was a good win by Chelsea and a very good second goal (again down to Cole without whom they would have probably gone out) but it was NOT a good performance at all and to suggest like the joker Faria that everything was expected and planned makes them seem stupid.
Cannon Balls
April 13, 2005
Whats all of this Mourinho only plays the long ball when he astutely pereives that it will worknonsense???. He did it at HOME against modest Brum last saturday in a game that he was fortunate ( a word that keeps cropping up regarding him and the Chavs rather a lot) last Saturday and in every game that i have seen Chelsea play this season.Mourinho dresses it up by having Duff and Robben when fit to break out of defense on the counter when the opposition are stretched wth the strikers dropping back to fill in the gaps they leave with their temporary absence from defending.The clean sheets are a thing of the past now though for the Chavs and next up it's Henry and Pires. What's the French for three nil to Arsenal Bobby?.
tenbob
r.ames@ntlworld.com
April 13, 2005
first visit to cardiff on sat.
parking tips needed,is it walkable from park and ride.
h8s sp*rs
April 13, 2005
Fair enough slagging off the chavs , most people do it , but bayern had to win by two goals in the second leg (at home) in CL QF ! how did you not expect a non stop barrage of attempts . I for one give credit to the chavs for pulling off the victory .
Also we cant keep slagging them off when they go long ball, its because they have a manager capable and astute enough to pick up games where this time of play is neccesary for victory.
I for one hope they win the CL for Mourinho , as he deserves it , he is the best in the business, still the new kid on the block and IMO will go down as the greatest manager ever, never before has there been a manager so thorough in every way .
I think he would even bring success to sh1t like sp*rs if he ever went there (lol)
Decaf
April 13, 2005
Mee, I agree about the two late goals, but not with with assessment of Chelsea's defending in the first half. They were hanging on, and Ze Roberto and Schweinsteiger were giving them grey hair. Bayern's failure to get a goal (which would have really tested Chelsea's mettle) was largely down to the fact that Mackay was not fit and was a passenger, and their first goal had an element of luck about it. What is more, the Huth incident was a clear penalty. Having said that, Bayern, although looking a very good side didn't deliver, so Chelsea weren't tested, and it is ridiculous to argue that they should have done anything other than sit back and defend with one striker up in the second half. Also, they DID score two European away goals, Cannonballs. When did we last do that? Finally, with penalty decisions like that (correct me on this one, American, if I get it wrong), there's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again. Or as we say in South Africa, "you only get away with murder once".
Cannon Balls
April 13, 2005
What have i been wrong about Niall,i was not wrong when i said that your game against Israel would be harder than you thought. Nor wrong about BM beating Chelsea last night they did but were unfortunate not to win the tie.I make very few predictions actually but rather point out the ludicrous claims being made about Chelsea for the nonsense that they are and even in the unlikelly event that they should win the CL i would still stand by them.Too much is being made of the possible absence of Shevenchenko from the final,i have a prediction on that,he will be in it!.And if not it will not stop AC they beat United without him and also kept two clean sheets.
Alan
April 13, 2005
Juventus will roll Liverpool then Chelski don't worry about it. Agree with EEG, Chelski should already be out. Next season they will find the going even tougher, they ain't all that and I question their longivity. New players take a while for opposite manager to get a handle on, next season robben and the likes will find things very much tougher.
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Agree with Harlow - It is mental to suggest Chelsea won at a canter. They had 33% possession for ****s sake.Bayern had 9 shots blocked. Now that is good defending by Chelsea but it is also desperate defending whenever you have to block shots. Both Ballack and Pizzaro pissed away excellent chances in the first five minutes and Ballack missed a sitter later in the half. The second half was even worse. Chelsea ventured forward three times in the match and were effective it has to be said. But dont let anyone kid you it was a controlled performance. That is not the case when you stop one off the line, have your woodwork hit and your keeper pulls off good saves. They were very, very lucky and I was actually surprised at the heavy work they made of a Bayern team that aren't all that (and weren't even against us). I think Mourinho go his tactics all wrong for once and they were very lucky to get away with it.
Niall
April 13, 2005
Agree that I'd rather the other English sides didn't win it, although I'm not against any of our challengers getting to the semi finals if we're competing for the Championship as it means an extra few games and more pressure for them. I'm not too worried that Chelsea have now gone further than us in two consecutive years as it means very little unless they win it. Having to listen to Tydlesly mention the 1999 game in Barcelona again last night was stomach churning and I don't need to be listening to the Man Utd, Liverpool supporters in work rubbing it in my face if they win the trophy. Fortunately there are no Chelsea fans around although the sorry Spurs fans are doing a good impression of being new found Blues this season I have found. CannonBalls, you continue to fart in the wind with your posts. Keep it up, I've never known anyone with such a record of being completely wrong about football all the time!!
tom
April 13, 2005
And it looks like Shevchenko(sp?) may be banned for the Final. It really is falling into Chelski's lap isn't it. Maybe UEFA will just ban him for the semi, fingers crossed. Just when it looks as though we had a fully fit squad to choose from for the first time this season Clichy is crocked. Pity, a great player to have on the bench, hope nothing happens to AC3 now. Sol won't be ready for Saturday either. Should we go with Freddie or Reyes on Saturday (assuming Dennis plays)?
Cannon Balls
April 13, 2005
Darren i thought that we did beat Bayern at Highbury?. Mee you have your view on the Chelsea game and i have mine, the Germans created a lot of very good chances often their players waltzing past the Chavs defense like they were traffic wardens on duty because of defunct traffic lights. Only some poor finishing prevented them leveling the GD prior to Lampards shot which was heading into Kahns hands until being deflected off of his boot into the net. All of this 'the game was over that's why Chelsea allowed Bayern to score' is a nonsense. Those chances were cropping up right through out the match!!Or disd you only watch the high-lights?. The Germans did not take them though, it was nothing to do with good defendin - but rather poor finishing. Was Huths poor clearance that bounced off of the barwith Chec left for dead good defending?. Or when Swcheinsteiger embarrassingly nutmegged Gallas and shot wide of a gaping goal?. Ballack got clean through and wasted a simple chance, no great defending involved there just poor finishing again. Pizarro also wasted two chances that he should have scored from. Chelsea had three shots on goal over the 90 minutes and rarely had only Drogba up front on his own, though Duff once went into the Bayern box only though to spoil his good work by missing a sitter again. I see AC Milan to be a much better team than Chelsea and their record in the CL this year is far superior to the Chavs who cannot win an away game nor unlike the Itailians keep a clean sheet.I realize that you have your own agenda regarding our performances in Europe and wish to cite the Chavs 'success'in the CL to make your case about tactics etc, however like your second season syndrom it requires a large piece of ones imagination to believe your prognastications regading Chelsea.I prefer to believe what i see with my own eyes and not your rewriting of history old chap.QWe on what i witnessed of Chelsea recently can beat them at the Bridge i have no doubt about that at all.It also looks like Terry will be out after his exhertions against the Germans took it's toll.
Parkerknoll Gooner
April 13, 2005
Magarth mistake was leaving Makaay on too long, he was clearly not fit enough and an earlier introduction of Guerrero (sp?) may well have given them more cutting edge. I agree with Harlow that watching chelsea is like watching a Serie A side from the '70's or '80's, although efficient it's not pretty to watch by any stretch and if we have many more finals like Milan - Juve and Porto - Monaco EUFA will have to have a major rethink. Many pundits are fawning over a chelsea - Milan final but I would not watch that if you payed me, Milan are a terrific side and the best balanced outfit in Europe by miles but they would be more than happy to play cat and mouse with chelsea.
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Nonsense Phil - I couldn't give a **** about the fourth Champions' League spot. I think it is a joke. Liverpool were 30! points behind us last season and got into the "Champions' League". If we perform to that level we dont deserve it. I want all English teams bar Arsenal to fail, preferably in the first stages (or the prelims) and I dont need to be patronised by someone without true passion who tells me it is "short-sighted".
steve martin
April 13, 2005
The word lucky has been well and truly surgically removed from in front of Arsenals name and put in front of Chelsea... Personally I'm gald they progressed, as if we beat them next week, and we have to beat them, we will win the league... However, just as delfected shots and pwn goals have gone against us this season, cheslea have benefitted, just how mnay deflected goals and own goals I don't know, but it's a lot... The when the Bayern player has a shot/cross defelcted, it loops up over the keeper and comes down onto the bar... I watched the whole game, how many times, more so in the second half, did Chelsea venture into Bayerns half, I'm not being out of order here, but their performance was boring to the extreme... If that's what Arsenal have to do to win the competition, you can stuff it... They have lost their last three away matches now... Also, they won it at a cnater, yeah, Pizzarro and Ballack missed tow sitters, they scored three goals and had at leats another ten chances to scores, canter, were you actually watching the game, anyone video it, watch it again and tell me I'm wrong...
SOLMAN
April 13, 2005
Given is neither big enough or good enough , the only keeper in the PL who may be good enough and avaialble is Niemi , one suspects he will ship in somebody from Europe
SOLMAN
April 13, 2005
People say Chelsea are lucky with defections and long ball but the other argument is the more teams shoot from outside the box the more lucky defections they will get , walking the ball into the net is not the only way to score goals , as regards the long ball when you have a useless plank like Drogba who cannot trap a bag of cement and is not over quick you play to his strenghs whcih is heading the ball , his goal last night was top class , we could never score a goal like that , Wenger needs to compromise his values and buy a top class target man to play with Henry , call it plan B but how many deadball / headers do we score??
Darren
April 13, 2005
Mee - CHelsea walked it last night. You're right the last two Bayern goals were a result of the game already being won. To be honest, I wish we could could beat teams like Barca and Bayern.
SOLMAN
April 13, 2005
Keane has to realise he is part of the problem , over the hill and not been replaced
Exiled In Newcastle
April 13, 2005
American - you're confusing yourself mate. First you say 'great' cos Keane's had a go in public then you say you prefer things kept in house. Then you say you wish someone had done a 'Keown' and gone to each man in the privacy of the dressing room. Er, if you want it kept in house then surely the fact that Paddy isn't bleating in the papers means you're half way to what you seem to want. And since you don't know what happens in the dressing room you don't know if Paddy has gone round and had 'a word'. So you can't really complain about it not being done in public when you don't know if it's been done in private.
Mee
April 13, 2005
Decaf: I cannot recall saying the Chelsea defence looked at all shaky - what I did say was that Bayerns last two goals were the result of Chelsea thinking the tie had already been won. Contrast the poor marking for BM third goal with the marking at the beginning of the game. I hate to say this but Chelsea won at a canter, Bayern, faced with a resolute defence resorted to long balls thrown on to the waiting heads of Terry and Carvalho. Cannon Balls: You’re whistling in the dark my friend to keep your spirits up, the match against AC Milan , particularly without Schevchenko will be a lot closer than you care to think. Ask Barca and Bayern.
Cannon Balls
April 13, 2005
I watched the AC Milan game live last night and only a recording of the Chavs game which i was able to fast forward when required so no 'choking on green bile' from me GunGunge; and the mighty AC are without a shadow of a doubt the best team in Europe - and unlike the Chavs have the stat's to prove it. Another superb all round performance and a great goal from the prolific Shevchenko again. AC will win the CL without breaking sweat, unlike our long ball merchants from West London who are working their little cotton socks off, with ten men behind the ball and still the goals go flying in!, how it was only 3 was down to pure luck and some very poor finishing. Give Shevenko and co those chances and it will be a cricket score!. Only the idiotic GunGun could post that Chelsea have a rock solid defense after they had conceded three goals and been well beaten!. They have now lost their last three away games and not kept a clean sheet in any of them either. They look nothing like Euro Champions and certainly do not play like them with only Drogba up front and every one else in the Chelsea half getting stuck into defending or trying too rather. This moron GunGun seems determined to pursue and argue a cause even when it's obviously a lost one. Must be the 'orish in him i suppose!. Now if he had posted look with the luck we are getting Chelsea could win the CL, there is a point to debate. Like and might pigs also fly!. But not on the strength of their defense after Chelsea have lost their last 3 away games in the CL failing to keep a clean sheet in any of them. And looking very shakey at the back with defenders getting embarrassingly dumped on their backsides and resorting to the usual wrestling tactics inside the box on opponents. Bayern should have had a penalty for one clear incidentin the first half which the referee chose to ignore. Probably because of all the usual Chav rantings prior to the match about the Ballack incident. Old GunGunge comes over like a man on a mission blinded by his faith to reality and also strikes me like being a recent convert to the Chavs cause - his posts and lack of knowledge of them and other London clubs show this. In fact it would come as no surprize to learn that he is an ex-Manure glory hunter ,Keano!,Keano!, who's poster on the wall he's now replaced with one of Damien Duff and the Chav team - alongside that of the boys in green of course!. The Chavs had three shots on goal last night and scored two goals, the customary deflection being required for one of course to send them again fortuitously yet again into the next round. It's funnier watching the recordings of these Chav Clowns matches late at night than an old Carry On movie!.
old man of hoy
April 13, 2005
Hedges i like Given but is he big and strong enough? Now that Inter are out of European Cup and hopefully facing a ban next year how about Toldo? A wet day in London so i head off to the collar with my less than inspiring management hat on. This is what i offer to my colleagues today.
1. I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow's not looking good either.
2. I love deadlines. I especially love the swooshing sound they make as they go flying by.
3. Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.
4. Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue.
5. Needing someone is like needing a parachute. If he isn't there the first time you need him, chances are you won't be needing him again.
6. I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.
7. On the keyboard of life, always keep one finger on the escape key.
8. I don't suffer from stress - I'm a carrier...
9. Everybody is somebody else's weirdo...
10. Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
Au revoir
Decaf
April 13, 2005
On the subject of Chelsea facing European pedigree sides, it is interesting to note that, if they win, their path will most probably have been: Barca, Bayern, Juve, Milan. Not only pedigree sides, but nicely lined up in ascending order. Heated balls? Large sums of money in plain brown envelopes?
Decaf
April 13, 2005
Parkernoll and Mee: maybe the reason Chelsea looked so shaky defensively is that they didn't have any proper fullbacks playing, so the lively Bayern wide men had a couple of plodders to cope with, and neither Duff nor Cole is much defensively. I really like the look of (sp?) Schweinsteiger (another great German compound noun with no exact English translation?). Maybe we could buy him and Wenger could convert him into another Henry. Kiwi, it came from "Forest Law of the Maori" by Elsdon Best, via Google. http://www.nzbirds.com/Kaka.html. Can it be a coincidence that the Kaka is formally known as Nestor meridionalis? Whoa! I see the Kiwi bird is Maldini australis.
Hedges
April 13, 2005
Of all the keepers we could get..I really want Shay Given. He has excelled in the Prem and therefore knows what it takes to do well in England and is extremely consistent. What are the chances of us buying him,I believe he would be around 8-10 from what I hear. what does everyone else think, or should we get someone else?
Pompey Gooner
April 13, 2005
Perfectly normal to want English teams to bomb out of Europe. I work with 4 Utd fans, 3 Chelsea, 3 Liverpool, lots of Pompey, few bits and bobs and barcodes... Im the only Gooner. If Utd or Chelsea win the Champs League or the Prem then Ive got to listen to all that guff for months on end, years in the case of Utd fans and their '99 triumph. I dont work with any Barca, Real, Juve, AC, Bayern or any other European Club fans, so if they win the Big Show I dont have a group of doofusses (doofi?) giving it the biggie at work. And Im sure thats what it comes down to, the stick and the gloating. Who are our main rivals on a daily basis? Utd and Chelsea. So why should we want them to be successful in Europe? Nothing could be worse really. I did used to work with a Portugese bloke called Bruno who was die-hard Ultra Benfica. He was crying at work when Porto won the Champs League. Not that there were loads of Porto fans waiting outside for him (I kept trying to explain "Its PortSMOUTH outside, Bruno, not Porto"), just that Porto are, as far as he's concerned, the epitome of all that is evil and hateful, and any success they have is abhorent to him and his co-Benficans. Its written in stone for ever, Champions of Europe 2004. And he has to suck on that, just like we STILL have to suck on 1999. And 1999 really does suck, coz if you ask me (and its rare that I agree with Neville the Uglier) that was our best ever team and we won diddle and they won it all. Funny though, the Liverpool fans are almost weighed down by their past success. Its baggage to them now. But its still something they can wave in my face; "yeah, you might be red hot now, but take a look at our trophy cabinet", and you cant argue with it, can yer? Just like we couldnt argue with Chelsea if they win it this year... well, we could but we'd only sound bitter. Much better for me to be giving out the stick to the Chelsea and Utd when they get a good spank off Milan, Im much better at giving it then receiving....
rysk_82
rysk_82@hotmail.com
April 13, 2005
Hope Arsenal can win the Champion Leauge next season, coz it's really make us embarrass and frustrated..........
AmericanGooner
April 13, 2005
I mean for Paddy to have done it in the changing room of course not, publicly.
Parkerknoll Gooner
April 13, 2005
And to add to their run of good fortune, what chance Shevchenko getting a 3 match ban for the headbutt thus missing the final. A very colourfull Milan derby btw, all those flares could almost have been the '70's.
Parkerknoll Gooner
April 13, 2005
Their rock solid defence conceded 3 and it should have been 5 or 6. Pizzaro missed a golden chance, Ballack blazed over with the goal at his mercy, they had a shot cleared off the line and Huth's header had Cech completely beaten but not the bar unfortunately. The Pizzaro miss was the one that wound me up the most, he was ideally placed and had time to pick his spot but just hit it straight at the keeper, cast your mind back to our visit to Munich and the ball drops from a great height over his shoulder he brings it down and blasts it past Lehmaan in one movement, if he tried it another 50 times he would not score again and that sums up our good fortune in the CL for me. If they should go on to win the big eared one perhaps UEFA could melt it down and model it into the shape of a bus as that seems to reflect their cynical approach to the competition, which is quite ironic given mourinho's witterings earlier in the season.
AmericanGooner
April 13, 2005
For me, its 1) Man Yoo 2) Chelski (they overtook the scum) 3) the scum 4) Bolton (or more specifically Allardyce)...down the line, any club O'Leary is managing, presently Villa because he has had his tongue between Fergie's butt cheeks too often. The Blades. And the club I have a soft spot for is Crystal Palace. I stayed near Selhurst Park on my first trip to England during my uni days. And also for Man City as they hate Man Yoo almost as much as I do..almost, because no one could hate them more than I do. Had I grown up in London, I'm sure Tottenham would have been number 1. My enmity toward them is not only because a gooner is supposed to, but because when I became a gooner their support would talk a lot of crap to me at a bar I saw the games when I was living overseas. So its a bit personal. I remember one guy referred to me as that 'yankee gooner scum'. I wore the label as a badge of honor. **** Exiled, I'm not one for airing dirty laundry and you're right about that but I'd still like Paddy or someone to have done it during our bad run after the Man Yoo game. Sometimes you need that. Someone to say, lets get our thumbs out and play Arsenal football. I recall one of the stories from the 'old days' someone posted that said Keown went to each man before a game when we were having a bad patch, to question his commitment to the cause. We could have used Keown last autumn if for nothing else but to give the lads a good talkign to.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 13, 2005
Gungun - er, didn't their lauded defence concede three tonight?
Gungun
April 13, 2005
We must learn from Chelseas defensive discipline and maturity. The old cliche of defending as a whole team was exemplified tonight.
They also have a very good goalie. Only if Arsenal are taught how to defend like that and get a `safe as houses keeper` do they stand a chance in th Champions League.
Maybe Arsene does not know the art of defending and can only teach them how to attack.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 13, 2005
American - so Keane bitched about his team mates on mancyscumtv. Again. Big wow. If I was a manc I'd be seriously worried why he has to keep coming out and saying no one else is trying. I'd be worried about the scisms in the squad. I'd be worried that he hasn't noticed his manager mate has lost it and half his team mates aren't up to it anymore. But most of all I'd be worried about dirty linen been washed in public rather than in the dressing room where it belongs. And that's before they start worrying about that yankee nerd.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 13, 2005
Call me old fashioned but the spuds are still number one on my most hated list. I know they're not 'real' rivals anymore, I know they're a joke and don't really matter and I know what winds their fans up most is that in football terms our derbies with them wouldn't generally rate in our top dozen important matches each season, but hey'remy number one. Mancs second and chavsville third. Thinking about it that's been the top 3 as long as I can remember. Deep feelings like that just don't really change. But the barcodes are at 4 with a bullet. Scummy classless fans at a scummy classless club. But I guess we probably all have similar lists, so what about the more obscure hatreds? Two of my fiercest are Hull and Carlisle! Ever since I was a nipper I've hated them both, but I've no idea why. The names? Well they're not pretty words. Being frightened by an ugly player on a topps card? I really don't have a clue. Then there's Sheffield Wednesday and a sadistic games teacher at prep school. I was 4 and the boy I was getting pushed by in the line up was in the year above me (big difference at that age!). So Mr Bastard (OK, that wasn't his name - but it was the actual name of the ref in the 1878 FA Cup Final!) decides that if we're pushing in his line up we could box. Next week we had to box 3 x 3 min rounds. So big boy keeps hitting me until at the end of the first someone tells me to hold on to him. I do my best to manage two complete rounds of bear hugs whilst Mr B is doing his best to pull us apart. Every time he did I got whacked, and the last thing I'd see before I got punched was the sheff wed crest Mr B had embroidered on his sleeve. Thought about him a lot in '93 - made the cup double oh so much sweeter.
AmericanGooner
April 13, 2005
A part of me does admire Mourinho's accomplishment even wtih all the 'dosh' as you all say, at his disposal. You can't help but to give him credit, even if it has to be done grudgingly. I would really be curious if he could have been successful if he had taken the Liverpool job. I see his taking over Chelsea as when the NY Yankees here get a new manager. **** Dormouse, good points but Geremi was bought to be a primary player, possible starter or at the very least getting lots of minutes off the bench. His few fleeting minutes in this game is overshadowed by the fact that he only sees minutes in league cup games and FA cup ties against lower division sides. Considering the amount paid for him, he's a dud by those standards. Lampard and Cole are playing great but the point is they had the luxury of picking between a lot of players, Veron and Parker for instance in midfield. How many clubs had the money to buy Veron, Parker, Lampard, Cole and Makele? One could simplly play different combinations till you find the right partnershipo. Lampard played well last season as well, better than the others. He improved this year but was still their best midfield player from last season. It doesn't take a genius to keep him in that position. Regarding Keane, I know he didn't say it direclty to the players but the point is, it was said and it was very direct. As far as I know, none of our players have done the same and Wenger calling everyone into his office is the closest thing we have to something like that. Keane's words are known to the players which is pretty profound considering what was said. I referred to top clubs in Europe in my post about the most important person, and I think Chelsea are unique amongst the G14 clubs. A rich owner is common with a lot of clubs as we all know. Bates & Ridsdale left the club close to administration and were more detrimental than helpful to the cause but I see your point.
Fred
April 13, 2005
I glad Chelsea won! Because I want to see Jose Mourinhos standing on the touchline then doing a post match interview when a they lose!
kiwipete
April 13, 2005
Dormouse and Mee.. the rub of the green has gone Chelsea's way and of course confidence plays a big part. That swagger the younger Keane/Sherringham/Beckham had and our own Invicibles had last year just the team coach arriving scared the **** out of the opposition. Hopefully next year the pressure on Chelsea to retain their title a few shitty opening fixtures with bad results... say the dour Bolton opener, away to the Mancs home to us might see a few cracks appear the hyena type media could turn on them and who knows. Nothing the British press loves better than to create an icon then salivate over their demise.
old man of hoy
April 13, 2005
All season I think Mourinho has deliberately encouraged a focus upon himself in order to deflect media pressure from his players - absolutely brilliant psychology. I am sure he knew what to expect from the media when he came to the Premiership and he has managed them as well as his team. By the way where is Carlos Alberto now with his midget comments about Michael Owen? Can't stand Roy Keane but you have to say he is consistent with his criticism of his teamates - heis a bit of a po-faced sod though.
Three Italian nuns die and go to heaven where they are met at the Pearly gates by St. Peter. He says, "Ladies, you all led such wonderful lives that I am granting you six months to go back to earth and be anyone you want.
The first nun says, "I want to be Sophia Loren" and *poof*, she's gone.
The second nun says, "I want to be Madonna" and *poof*, she's gone.
The third nun says, "I want to be Sara Pipalini."
St.Peter looks perplexed. "Who?" he asks.
"Sara Pipalini" replies the nun.
St.Peter shakes his head and says, "I'm sorry but that name doesn't ring a bell."
The nun then takes a newspaper out of her habit and hands it to St.Peter. He reads the paper and starts laughing. He hands it back to her and says.... "No Sister,this headline says 'Sahara Pipeline, laid by 1,900 men in 6 months."
Mee
April 13, 2005
I find Mourinho’s increasingly desperate attempts to draw attention to himself with these theatrical stage managed child-like attention seeking charades he engages in every time the spotlight comes close. Brian Clough was the master of this kind of erratic behaviour, even choosing on one occasion to monopolise the medias attention at a cup final by his refusal to offer advice to his weary players as extra time beckoned, behaviour that was replicated by Mourinho at last years European final when he refused to be photographed with his team. The Sibneft oil wells are lubricating this arrogant parade of smug self-satisfaction and the ceaseless babble of commentators such as the loathsome Tyldesley give him the oxygen he needs to plunder even greater depths.
Dormouse
April 13, 2005
AG - much as I admire your feelings about Chelski, their success hasn't just been about throwing a lot of money at a random collection of players & writing off the duds (btw, Geremi came on late tonight & so isn't really written off). Lampard & Cole (especially) are much better players now than they were last year & they really deserve a lot of credit for getting the idea that football is a team game where it is not OK to swan around when the other side have the ball into Cole's head. I think they are quite likely to win the CL, not because they are the best team, but because luck is going their way (unnoticed foul with Barca, deflections against BM). I remmeber posting much the same about them in the PL some months ago
Dormouse
April 13, 2005
The thing is AG, that Fergiescum's poodle gave this diatribe to MUTV not to the players. We don't know what he said, or did not say, to the players, just as we don't know what our players said to each other. What we do know is that a different team selection would probably have produced a different result, Old Rednose has been criticised, and his faithful mutt is yapping in his defence. PS - I don't think that Chelski are unique in the way you describe, I think you'll remember that Ridsdale was the most important person at Leeds, Hayward at Wolves, Bates at Chelsea, Mandaric at Pompey, Deadly Doug at Villa etc, etc.
AmericanGooner
April 13, 2005
If Juve does the business, they'll have to sort out their away form in England right away. If the Reds can put 2 past them in 10 minutes with their main strikers injured, I hate to think what Chelsea will do. Chelsea have great shape and team defense and chemistry. It will be a lie to say they don't but its still bought. They spent hundreds of millions of pounds to get the right mix of players. They wrote off Mutu, Crespo, Geremi, Parker, Veron and a few others to get that mix, which would have crippled any other club in the world. Eventually, if you spend enough, ANYONE can get the right mix of players. There is no trial and error or risk of having to live with a mistake. You simply keep buying till you get it right and money is no object. Do you need to be a great footbal genius to do that? Given limitless funds, litterally, any one on this forum could do it. However, I don't think they can rest on their laurels. All great sides have to tweak it year to year and Chelsea will have to do that and hope the tweaking helps and doesn't hurt.
kiwipete
April 13, 2005
But Rich what if the said communications are concealed in their underwear will you be asking for all Chelsea affiliates to drop their tweeds?
Mee
April 13, 2005
I have been posting for some time now that Chelsea represent are a real threat to all teams in Europe. Tonights game was another demonstration that they are far more than just a collection of lucky deflections and poor refereeing decisions. The result was never seriously in doubt, the two late consolation BM goals the result of poor concentration when the game had already been won. At every stage of the competition we have consoled ourselves by thinking that teams with a proven European pedigree will stop them. Surely they can’t live with Barca, Bayern with their more aggresive game and the individual brilliance of Ballack will put an end to it. And now we look hopefully to Juventus (assuming they can overcome Liverpool) for salvation, and beyond them AC Milan, who are invincible - aren’t they? We’re running out of teams to do the business for us. We have mocked Chelsea’s lack of domestic success for fifty years, in a few weeks they might achieve something, that for all our glorious history, has been beyond us. Bayern were made to look ordinary tonight, although in mitigation Rod Schweinsteiger looked good, Sagnol never gave up and Ballack, despite an appaling miss, showed glimpses of the exceptional player he is - wonder if he fancies living in Islington?
GunGun
April 13, 2005
Cannon Balls, try not to choke on your own green bile tonight.
old man of hoy
April 13, 2005
Until the final few silly minutes that was a very mature European Cup performance by Chelsea. Can't help being a little envious of their organisation and know-how. Joe Cole was first class as were Makelele and Drogba. For much of the time up front Bayern looked one dimensional and static but as soon as the Peruvian strikers were put together they began to play. Drogba's goal was good but a terrible one to lose from a defensive viewpoint. How Ballack must be rueing that first half miss - if that had gone in who knows how things might have turned out. By rights Inter's fans behaviour should result in a ban from European competition - will it happen - yes like a black Pope.
kiwipete
April 13, 2005
Quite correct Decaf your analogy explains how the diminutive Niall deals to the hulking Bernard and Daz repelled the bullying Steve Martin behind the East Stand Block C Row 38... also does your Kaka rendition come from "Once Were Warriors." Now Cannon...is this your usual "red mist" when anything has a connection to your hero the Knighted Jock... Hughes comments however inflammatory are spot on Klinsmann led the charge and the antics some of our "foreigners" Lauren,Vieira,Ljungberg,Pires,Edu,Cole [ of course not foreign ] in going down like pole axed steers at the slightest touch is bloody embarrassing. Quick non Arsenal tip for anyone experiencing marital problems... get a job for a few months in some remote mine/refinery in outback Australia where the majority are drunken dolts with half a brain and voila on your return the wife will seem like Mother Teressa on aphrodisiacs.
Rich
April 13, 2005
We all knew Chelski were through after they got their routine deflected goal, was nice for Bayern to win the tie in the end and prove, as only ourselves, Bolton and Barca have this season, that their defence is not all it's cracked up to be. I think Bayern created a lot of chances and if a bit of luck went their way tonight (deflected goal,hit bar,1 cleared off line) they could be the ones going through. I really will be praying for a Juve win tommorrow, i dont mind so much the scousers going through, but I think Juve have a better chance of knocking Chelski out. I am really looking forward to Arsenal playing them now, they seem to be struggling for players at the back. Mourinho doesn't trust Johnson so he played Huth at RB (4 CB across back 4), it left very little attacking threat from full-back and a lack of mobility. Can't wait for Henry/Pires/Cole to terorise Chelski's right-hand side. Noticed the commentator (Tyldsely?) managed to get his 'that famous night in Barcelona' reference in again in a Champions league match!
Cech
April 13, 2005
But not as good as me!
Oliver kahn
April 13, 2005
i'm better than Lehmann
AmericanGooner
Keane@ManYoo
April 13, 2005
Sorry, don't have the link. Posted this from another site. I wanted someone on the team to have said this to the other players during our slip. ------ Roy Keane has launched an astonishing outburst at his Manchester United team-mates, claiming there are some who are failing to give 100% to the Red Devils cause.
The furious United skipper was forced to watch Saturday's disaster at Norwich unfold on TV after being left out of Sir Alex Ferguson's squad in order to ensure his availability for this weekend's FA Cup semi-final with Newcastle.
Ferguson has still to offer a public opinion on the Carrow Road debacle, having been left so angry at the 2-0 defeat he even refused all post-match interview requests.
But Keane, who last season highlighted a lack of professionalism among the younger members of United's squad, has decided it is time to speak out.
And, in a withering condemnation of their attitude, he placed serious question marks over players routinely earning over £50 000-a-week.
"People are sick of excuses now," he told MUTV. "We are running out of them anyway. Results don't lie and the table doesn't lie. Our performance levels have not been good enough.
"Everyone at this club needs to look at themselves and ask whether they are giving 100% to the football club. I am not sure all the players can say they are. That is a crime in itself."
Ferguson raised his first concerns over United's poor form immediately after the 1-0 win over Fulham on March 19, complaining bitterly about a lack of effectiveness in front of goal.
Those words appeared to fall on deaf ears for two weeks later, the Red Devils were held to a goalless draw by Blackburn at Old Trafford which effectively killed off any lingering title hopes.
The disappointment at that setback was nothing compared to last weekend's shambles, which, following a second successive early European exit and the prospect of two third-place finishes on the trot, left fans to openly question the club's short-term future.
However, as he continued his tirade, Keane was adamant Ferguson is not the one who should take the blame.
"How many chances should a player get? You can bring a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. The manager provides everything for the players. Everything they want, they get. All they have to do is come into training every single day with the attitude of trying to help the team improve.
"It is not about individuals. You can have the most talented players in the world but if you do not play as a team, I guarantee you will win absolutely nothing."
For a man who, like his manager, embodies the epitome of fighting spirit and a burning will to win, the mere thought some of his team-mates do not share the same attitude will bring a bitter taste to the mouth.
One of the most handsomely rewarded of today's well-paid stars, Keane has always accepted the sense of responsibility that comes with the vast pay cheque, something he clearly does not believe is a feeling that spreads across the Old Trafford dressing room.
"Every player should be fighting for their place at this club," he said. "Going back over the years, when we have been at the top of our game, players never took their places in the team or position at the club for granted. That is what made them really good players and what made us an outstanding team.
"It is all right having a laugh in the dressing room but maybe there has been too much laughter. You can go too far the other way. What matters is what happens on the pitch. We have talented players at this club, that is obvious, but talent without work rate and pride is a waste of time."
AmericanGooner
April 13, 2005
In every big club the most important person for continued success is either a player and/or the gaffer. (Henry & Wenger for us; Gerrard for Liverpool; Keane at Man Yoo perhaps, etc.) If that person goes, they will have to replace him (them). What makes Chelsea different and unique is that the most important person to their success is their owner. He's far, far more important that Lampard, Mourinho, Terry or Kenyon. All future success is tied to him. If one of our board members/owners leaves, the club carries on almost without missing a step, if he sells his shares to a likeminded replacement. 2 things will happen. I am sure of it. Roman will have a bad season and Roman's money will leave them sooner or later...and if its later, it won't be as far off. We'll back with a vengence next season as we did in '03. Mourinho will be looking for excuses and neutrals and even rivals will see how important Arsenal is to English football.
The Zeitgeist
April 13, 2005
seems to be with Chelsea at the moment. Yet another dodgy deflected goal. The defence is ok, though Bayern, with some better finishing, might have scored one or two. When we put two past them earlier this season i hoped that might be an example to others, i.e. they're not unbeatable, but alas no. England started with 3 CL teams and now have 4. That won't change unless the money situation changes. It's much more likely that Germany will lose a place. 1-1, nice. http://football.guardian.co.uk/championsleague200405/story/0,15008,1457524,00.html
Juliano
April 13, 2005
Just how many bloody deflected shots have Chelsea scored this season, for jesus' sake? This is unbelievable!
Decaf
April 13, 2005
Phil, I dispute that Chelsea's domination is good for anyone other than Chelsea. Firstly, its one thing Arsenal walking league title (like last season). Even the most hard-bitten Manure fan knows what a magnificant SPORTING achievement that was, against the odds. Chelsea winning it by mile says "it can be bought", and if they carry on, people will soon get very bored of it. Secondly, I'm not sure that being firmly second best in any country is a springboard for Euro success. That is a debatebale one. Thirdly, although there are some unimportant exceptions (eg Blackburn), one can stretch a point and argue that success in English football has been based on sporting prowess. Manure, Arsenal, and Liverpool EARNED it, and there is always the sense that there is a fine line between success and mid-table mediocrity. Who knows where Manure will go after Ferguscum? With Chelsea, on the other hand, the whole thing is artificial. I can understand a man visiting a brothel if they can't get E*Ged, but it ain't the same when you pay (or so I have been told) and you are likely to get more than you bargained for. That's Chelsea, brothel, viagra, STDs, Russian pimps, the works. BOUGHT, and its stinking the place out. Finally, some idiot (no, some other idiot) suggested the other day that we had a unfair financial advantage ("like Chelsea") because of our profits on Anelka and co. What a twittish argument.
AmericanGooner
April 13, 2005
Phil (and others) I've often heard that the international bodies like FIFA and UEFA (and even the FA) are motivated in part by money. If that is so, then wouldn't UEFA be shooting itself in its financial foot if they reduce England to 3 clubs in the CL? The world over, English football is the most watched league. Asia, America, South America its followed very closely, Africa and the middle east as well. Even if English clubs don't do well, won't they still be accomodated?
Rich
April 13, 2005
Anyone notice that Chelski are going to play with 4 centre-backs tonight? wonder if that fitness coach will have his wooly hat on again and if his ear is continuously itchy again? It makes a joke of Mourinho's ban if one of the officials cannot just go up to the bloke and say "lets see what's under that, mate" Also, agree with all of you that want Chelsea and Man U to lose at every occasion, whatever competitions. To carry on the theme my despised clubs are 1.Man U 2. Chelski 3. Spuds 4th onwards can change depending on who's just kicked us off the park, so 4 would be Bolton. It seems the teams that people 'don't mind' are the teams we beat all the time, it's maybe why up until abrahmovic chelski probably wouldn't have been in my top 6/7 most hated team. Come on Bayern
Decaf
April 13, 2005
Forget the league, Juliano. What is of utmost importance now is that Chelsea don't win the CL. Even if going out tonight meant that our league hope were completely gone, I would still take it. Any other thinking is way too Machaevellian. Chelsea as English champions I have learned to live with, but Chelsea as European Champs is insupportable. **** Bernard, I concede (and 6 inches or so less width might make all the difference, and will probably be the final nail in our forlorn European hopes). I just though I ought to disagree with you on something as a matter of form.
Phil
April 13, 2005
EEG and Mee, you are pretty short-sighted in your not wanting PL rivals to succeed. As you know long-term the Arsenal will benefit if other PL sides are good in Europe. Supposing England lose that 3rd or 4th CL spot one day. Then you could all be whining that Arsenal are not in the CL. So, even if you hate it, success for English clubs is long-term good for our club. Dave is right in his observations. Nobody or shall we say 98% of the Germans are for bayern tonight as it is good for Germany should they win. All this sectarian rivalry taken into Europe is ridiculous. I think American Gooner has the most healthy stance as he is writing from a distance. Unthinkable twaddle that many Germans are not for Bayern.
AmericanGooner
April 13, 2005
I'm cheering for BM. With very few exceptions (like Chelsea Charlie here on this forum), the Chelsea support has shown every indication they will be as bad or worse than the arrogant ManYoo fans I first saw when I became a football fan. I am cheering for Newcastle to do well. I wanted 'Boro to advance in the UEFA cup and I wouldn't even begrudge the scousers a CL semi or final, but Man Yoo and Chelsea is where I have to draw the line. **** Totti is too moody. We need players with a little more sterner stuff. **** 8 games left, not 10. (6 in the league, 2 in the FA cup if there are no replays). I think I said 10 yesterday. **** Jimmy..haha..sorry to disappoint you but I'm not that desperate to have a question answered. I have some pride. Anyway, usukgooner has posted before. I feel honored by you. Almost every post you've ever made is about me. Email me at soi_eight@yahoo.com and I can send an autographed pic. I may start a fan club. ;-)
Mee
April 13, 2005
East End: We seem to have similar teams in the ‘don’t mind’ column. The point about Spurs, apart from the obvious geographical one, is that at some point it will happen for them. It’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that they could get the 4th CL spot this term. I say this because Everton & Liverpool seem to be falling over themselves to drop points. I don’t think Bolton will get the 4th spot. look at the table, 3pts for a win - I’m getting paranoid about it! The two matches which have given me the greatest pleasure over the past couple of seasons were Newcastle’s win over Spurs in the cup this year - and Man City scoring 4 second half goals in last years competition at White Hart Lane. I also remember Saints beating them convincingly in the cup.
I’m afraid Chelsea and Man U don’t register so highly on my spurs ‘richter’ scale. Unfortunately I can remember the 60 -61, John White, Cliff Jones, Bobby Smith, Dyson side. 45 years have done little to lessen the pain.
East End Gooner
April 13, 2005
Mee - sounds right to me. I dont understand how any proper fan can want anything but failure for their domestic rivals. Slightly different if you live abroad but I just cant understand anyone who thinks they are a fan and yet would want Chelsea to prosper. My preferred losers are slightly different than yours - 1. Chelsea 2. United 3. Spurs (though I am sure this would be different had they any success at all) 4. Bolton 5. The rest. Premiership clubs I have a slight regard for are Palace, Man City, Villa, Charlton. The rest can **** off. Obviously its a question of degree. I dont mind Newcastle winning the Eurovision and Even found myself pleasantly distracted by Liverpool's win last week. But then they are both **** really and aren't rivals.
Mee
April 13, 2005
Am I alone in wishing the worst possible result for ANY English team in Europe. I hope Bayern win tonight but expect Chelsea to score at least one. On a domestic level the teams I enjoy losing in order of preference are:
1 Spurs 2 Chelsea 3 Man U 4 Liverpool 5 Bolton
I have a sneaking regard for (no particular reason) Palace, Charlton, Man City, Norwich and Plymouth Argyle.
Bernard
April 13, 2005
Phil, nothing to tell that hasn't been told many times before.
coldiz
April 13, 2005
maybe hate is too stronger word,err no thats correct.I love watching teams in europe that are no threat to us.Nowich a while back with Jeremy Goss.Newcastle two years ago in Italy,the who southern curve full of beer bellied baldies.Laugh,I laughed mayself dead,but it was compulsive viewing.I´ve a soft spot for Auxerreand Lyon.
steve martin
April 13, 2005
Juliano, why have terry and Lampard banned, they would only miss the semi final and be rested for the league games, pointless, a little more though me thinks... Let them play and get injured and miss the rest of the season, I'll be looking for some serious tackling from the Ethal Mermans tonight...
Phil
April 13, 2005
It is amazing how Bernard automatically jumps to the defence of the Germans as soon as they are mentioned. It is weird. I just wonder what the real reason is. Come out of the closet and tell us, Bernard.
Steve C/O Coldiz
April 13, 2005
both right,both wrong.I´m in Germany at the mo and most football fans I know,who are die hard travelling fans,Bochum,Dusselforf,Herta,want Bayern to LOSE-no doubt.The occasional fan,(armchair TV,maybe visist a staduim with a birthday present voucher)want Bayern to win,I´d say this is about 9O percent of the poulation here who have a passing,keen(but not fanatical)intrest.I´m working with a couple of brits over here-Leeds,Utd and they can´t understand why I do´nt want Chelsea to win.They do´nt agre to the argument that if they win the CL they become an even greater threat to Arsenal.But ther´yre English ,they cry,yes but I´m Arsenal first and anything that in any way increases other teams prestige over us ,then I´m against.
I´dont want liverpool to win either.
In the final of 99 I wanted Bayern and untill the last 5 minutes I was enjoying it with about 2O guys,well leathered.Then the German commentator said,and as usual the briitish teams do´nt deliver.I was a Man utd support instantly for the next 8 minutes,my friends could´nt understand it.The next day I hated utd as much as always.I hardly care about England,I cheer when they score but if someone offered me a ticket for our reserve side or an En gerland international......no contest.Come onMunich,i hate you just as bad as Chelsea.I hope AC win it.They are technicall great and efficent,although Wiltord deserves a cheer.
Juliano
April 13, 2005
Bayern or Chelsea to win... this is tricky. I'd normally wish Chelsea to lose, but then I don't know what would be better for us. If they lose, it may well dent their confidence since they probably consider the league as all but wrapped up and therefore they have probably been focusing on the champions league for a while. But on the other hand, they'll only have the league to play, and will be very eager not to let it slip. If they win a really tough tie (in a dream world, 2-4 Bayern, Chelsea win 18-19 on pens with two reds for Lampard and Terry) it will keep them mainly focused on the Champions League, and they'd be more likely to drop points in the PL, though the victory could give them a confidence boost. Players have often mentioned how the CL is energy consuming, and when they have tasted it they just can't get enough. For example, Ferguson's CL obsession is widely regarded amongst their fans as the reason for MU's slow downfall in the league. I won't shed any tear if Chelsea get trounced tonight, but if they go through the fear that they may win it will be balanced with the hope that it will distract them big time, and also with the hope of them being on the wrong end of an absolute slaughter from AC Milan.
Bernard
April 13, 2005
JamesLT, rest assured that the Germans who want Chelsea to win tonight will be balanced by loads of English people who want Bayern to win - and I'm very much one of them.
Brazil 70
April 13, 2005
The post from Rupen was not made to this site. I read it on another Arsenal page & it has obviously been cut & pasted to this site so he will not be answering any questions.
JameslT
April 13, 2005
BERNARD you're right to point out DAVE's usual anti-German rubbish. I'm writing this in a German office building in Munich, where I know that at least half the people will have a big smile on their face tomorrow if Chelsea stuff Bayern 5-0 tonight. Myself, I'm hoping for a 5-0 Bayern win... The fact is that Bayern are the ManUre of Germany and huge numbers of Germans despise "FC Hollywood" as they derisively call them and the evil empire, as they see it, led by Franz Beckenbauer, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge and Uli Hoeness from the Olympiastadion...
Bernard
April 13, 2005
Decaf, I just don't see it myself. The difference between the grass area and pitch size might be a little bigger at Ashburton Grove than at Highbury, so it strikes me as a perfectly reasonable statement to make. It might well be, and perhaps it's more grossly unscientific to ignore that possibility when calculating the possible size of the pitch.
Decaf
April 13, 2005
In fact, Mee, if you don't stop it I am going to leave, and join CG and Daz in their sulk, and I certainly won't return until tomorrow.
Decaf
April 13, 2005
Yes Mee, you are bringing down the high tone a bit.
Mee
April 13, 2005
Surely with all these calculations you have to take into account that the ball will travel slightly further as well, it doesn’t necessarily mean that the extra yardage is all attributable to the player. This doesn’t mean the acceptance of long-ball Bolton style tactics, merely a five yard ball instead of a four yard (insert metres here) ball. Am I talking absolute bollocks here?
Decaf
April 13, 2005
Juliano, you have developed the irritating habit of failing to close your parentheses (Or should that be "failing to open"?). Correct it please. There also seem to be colons creeping into your posts in a manner that some might find offensive. Must cease.
Decaf
April 13, 2005
Bernard, you stated: "the difference between the grass area and pitch size might be a little bigger at Ashburton Grove than at Highbury". That strikes me as grossly unscientific, and yes, a quibble.
Decaf
April 13, 2005
E*G! I had it all worked out conceptually (including a spillover effect on away games), but a student (pretty and female too) walked in and started talking to me about some sort of New Zealand parrot. The name eludes me. In any case, its all gone now.
Juliano
April 13, 2005
Decaf-I'd say that the goals conceded/scored versus pitch size isn't a linear ratio, rather a logarithmic one. Could you correct your figures please? :)
Decaf
April 13, 2005
Hold it. This season we have scored 43 goals and concede 18 at Highbury. At AB, we should, logically score and concede 17.5% fewer, owing to the larger pitch and the extra time it takes to get up and down. This mean we can expect (rounding liberally) to score EIGHT and concede THREE fewer goals. A goal difference 5 worse. This is 20% worse than last season. 20% fewer home points is a loss of seven points. So I think I jumped the gun a bit predicting relegation.
Juliano
April 13, 2005
Decaf-And by the way, relegation will have to wait since Arsenal will still be playing at Highbury next season :)
Bernard
April 13, 2005
So Decaf, what was this ridiculous quibble then?
Juliano
April 13, 2005
Decaf-The average player certainly doesn't run an average speed of 15kms/h for 90minutes, it would make him run more than 22kms. (I am well placed to know that, my goal is to run a half marathon on april the 24th in less than 1h24, which equates to 15km/h) I think a midfield player runs between 7 and 8 kms during a game, but without joking, it would certainly be a bit more on a big pitch, and if it doesn't mean much for the odd game it may have a sensible influence if you're having to play 25 games on that pitch. I certainly expect Arsène to study this closely anyway.
Bernard
April 13, 2005
dave, that's simply untrue. I have seen various reports by people who watched the 1999 European final in Spanish bars where there were lots of German and English holiday makers that aside from the fans of each club, the Germans all wanted Man Utd to win, and the English all wanted Bayern Munich to win.
Decaf
April 13, 2005
Dave, I find that totally unbelievable. EVERY German? Surely fans of other clubs must hate Bayern? German, yes. But inhuman? Surely not.
Decaf
April 12, 2005
Juliano, using your calculations (and trusting you made no silly mistakes) and leaving Bernard's ridiculous quibbles on one side, the Ashburton pitch would be 17.6% larger than the Highbury one. If the median player now runs at an average of 15 km per hour for the average game of 93 minutes, he would have to speed up to 17.64 km per hour. If he does not adjust his speed, the results are alarming. He could run up and down the Ashburton pitch mere 213 times, compared to 230 times at Highbury. I predict relegation next year.
dave
April 12, 2005
Let me tell you what the difference is between the Brits and the Germans: tonight ALL Germans, Bayern fans or not will be behind Bayern. Never ever have I met Germans who were against a German side when up against a foreign side. The Fatherland first. With us its different. I don`t know what is worse.
I can tell you that if you live abroad the rivalry and jibes, hate and scorn between Brits and Krauts is as fierce as between Arsenal and Spuds/Chelsea. So, allow the Brits who live abroad to be for the English team otherwise we will have to put up with just as much shit as you guys in the office tomorrow.
Myles Palmer
April 12, 2005
YOU can't compare Bayern-Arsenal to Bayern-Chelsea because Arsenal was a first leg and this is a second leg.
The first game started at 0-0 and this once starts 2-4.
No Chelsea player - even Carvalho on his worst night - will head an 80-yard Kahn clearance to Pizarro, as Toure did after three minutes
Pizarro and Makaay are playing.
And so is Demichelis, the Argentinian assassin who missed the first leg
Tonight will be interesting because Bayern have four hatchet-men in midfield : pick four from Salihamidzic, Ballack, Frings, Demichelis, and Ze Roberto.
Ze Roberto was a zippy, swerving ball artiste at Leverkusen but he really puts his foot in these days.And his knee, his thigh, his hip and anything else that's available.
He kicked Vieira and he kicked Lauren and he will kick Duff and Cole and Lampard
I CAN'T SEE CHELSEA NOT SCORING, so I can't see them not going through.
And Chelsea might score first.
They might score early, as Bayern did against Arsenal.They might Bayern Bayern.
Oliver Kahn says : We can concentrate and sfcore a goal in each half.We won't be outmuscled again.
WE SHALL SEE - IT WILL BE DRAMATIC.
Anything could happen.
But my gut feeling is that the worst Chelsea will do is lose 2-1.
A FRIEND was in Italy last weekend and said some senior Italian journalists reckon Chelsea can beat everyone in the Champions League except Milan.
He reckons the whole world is now looking at Chelski because we have never seen anybody throw so much money at a football club before, so its soap opera, just as that Maderid's assembly of galacticos was.
What Perez did was was crude and vulgar and this is crude and vulgar too.
But,for as global audience, it's compelling.
DID YOU KNOW that Mourinho doesn't give a team talk these days?
He prepares the players, tells them what to expect, shows them videos of their direct opponent.
But in the last month he has not given a team talk in the dressing room.
He chooses a different player -Joe Cole, Gudjohnsen, Lampard, Terrry so far- to give the team talk just before the game.
CHELSKI has a savage momentum now and this episode is a bizarre moment in football history.
Abramovich is a very clever, ruthless guy who has created a western identity and has immunity from prosecution while Putin is President.
Orphaned at the age of four, the billionaire with the sad little smile takes a helicopter from his Sussex estate to the Battersea helipad and goes by armoured limousine to Stamford Bridge.
The limo isn't just bulletproof, it's bombproof.
He is in a pod which can't be shattered by a bomb underneath the car.
Last week on TV I saw him walking into the ground.
He was wearing jeans and flanked by a diamond of suited Russian-faced bodyguards in suits.
The choreography was incredible.
A modern emperor in a protected moving space with a small phalanx around him.
At the Bridge they say he's had a tunnel built, so he can vanish if his life is threatened.
Juliano
April 12, 2005
Well, I rounded the figures but the pitch dimensions were a little bit bigger keeping the same margin (4m in length, 3m in width) as Highbury. If I make a ratio between grass size/pitch size at Highbury, and apply it to Ashburton, it makes about the same dimensions. 119x80 yards. That said, even at 117x78 it would still be the biggest pitch in the Premier League, it would even be bigger than the Camp Nou's (105x68m, 115x74yds) Given Wenger's liking for a scientific approach, I guess he has been weighing the pros and cons of having a big pitch, in order to set the ideal pitch size. A big pitch would suit our squad more, but what would be the side effect of having to play half your games on a bigger pitch than your opponents? How would it translate in terms of miles ran per game for players, and so on?
david.d
April 12, 2005
mee i couldnt agree more with you that our semi final is not a foregone conclusion. i must admit i did a jig of delight when we drew blackburn but semi finals are traditionally tight affairs and form usually goes out of the window as we ourselves have discovered in recent years scraping past middlesbrough and sheff utd. it will not be an easy ride but the boys know what sort of tactics blackburn will be employing and i believe we will happily mix it with them for the right to play our football and hopefully win the game. im getting nervous already and cant even comtemplate defeat. we should take nothing for granted and treat blackburn with respect......before knocking them out!!!(i sincerely hope)
Bernard
April 12, 2005
Juliano, I guess it's possible that the difference between the grass area and pitch size might be a little bigger at Ashburton Grove than at Highbury, but I'm sure that I did see what the actual pitch size there will be, rather than the grass area. I can't remember where I saw it now, I had a look at McAlpines web site as I thought it might have been there, but couldn't find it.
Juliano
April 12, 2005
Well, that was easy. Highbury's pitch dimensions are shown on a picture of the official site, > the Club > Highbury and in the bottom of the page "Highbury Plan". The dimensions of the grass at the Emirates are also on the offal in the Emirates Stadium > Key facts section. I just had to google to find the yards/meters conversion rate (0,9144) and to make out the difference between grass size and pitch size. Did I mention that I have a really passionating job?
Bernard
April 12, 2005
Juliano, that's impressive research. I remember seeing the pitch size stated somewhere before, and I also seem to recall it being the biggest club pitch in the country. When you looked at that bloke's post, as me and others have said, it was just crammed full with inaccuracies and worst-case scenario guesswork. And then he immediately declares himself to be a Liverpool fan who can't get a season ticket at Anfield. Who cares if he can or not; I certainly don't.
Juliano
April 12, 2005
While I'm at it with Ashburton Grove, I just checked the webcam and I could distincly see the two tripods, of each part of the south stand, that will receive the remaining halves of the primary trusses of the roof structure. The west tripod is clearly there, the east one looks to be there but as it's behind the truss that is already in place, I cannot be certain. But we probably can expect the other halves to be lifted pretty soon.
Mee
April 12, 2005
Juliano: Couldn’t agree more about the size of the pitch. I’m sure Henry would be even more effective on a larger playing surface.
Juliano
April 12, 2005
After our recent new friend's assertion that the pitch will still be small at Ashburton, here are the facts. The pitch size at Highbury is 110x73 yards, or 101x67 meters. On the "Key Facts" section of the Ashburton page on Arsenal.com, they say that the grass size will be 113x76 meters at Ashburton, as opposed to the current 105x70 meters at Higbury. Now, the conversion from yards to meters shows that Highbury's pitch size is 101x67 meters, which leaves 4 meters in length and 3 in width, compared to the grass size. If the same margins are kept, the pitch size at Ashburton will be of 109x73 meters, or 119x80 yards. This compares favourably with the City Of Manchester Stadium (116.5x78), Old Trafford (116x76) Saint James Park (110x73) or Anfield Road (110x75). In fact, it would be the biggest pitch of the league. To claim that it has helped us is plain wrong, I even think it has been a real drawback given the pace and the athleticism in the current Arsenal squad.
Bored
April 12, 2005
Rupen: Why lie about the size of the pich at Ashburton Grove? Why lie about Chelsea's support? 10 years ago chelsea had an average attendance around the 20,000?
Mee
April 12, 2005
There is a dangerous acceptance by some on this forum that the semi-final is a foregone conclusion. At the time of the draw it seemed like the best option but since then Blackburn have galvanised themselves while Newcastle have lost some form, and more vitally, players. I expect the Norwich game looked an easy one on paper for Ferguson too. We’ll have to be at our best to beat them although paradoxically Hughes’ latest outbursts have resulted in some quarters as us being considered as underdogs.
Bored
April 12, 2005
This Fergie lie about Arsenal 'forcing' the FA to hold the semi's at Cardiff is so hilarious and desperate I almost feel sorry for the bloke. Almost being the operative word.
Gunfire
April 12, 2005
Well Mark or Sparky if you prefer you should look to your fellow British players Savage, Owen, Shearer, Rooney etc before maintaining that "foreigners" are at fault.
Bernard
April 12, 2005
Kaka, after reading that, I can only assume that you are one of Decaf's students?
Kaka
April 12, 2005
"Ere any sign of dawn is noted the brown parrot is awake and awaiting it, its harsh cry rings out, and the sojourners within the realm of Tane say: Kua tangi to kaka (the kaka has cried), and know that Hine-ata, the Morning Maid, is at hand."
goonerguru
April 12, 2005
Thanks Bernard,as you say claptrap,you know my views on SWP but if he does arrive in the summer and he banged in some belting performances I guess I would have to say I'm wrong,my feeling is that Wenger wont be paying £12 mil+ so he won't be coming.
Cannon Balls
April 12, 2005
The so called CL is a KO competition in which the vagaries of the draw play a significant part, ask Ferguson about it!. So who was the last team to dominate this tournament then having progressed year after year?.And having re-read Rupens post again i have concluded that it is a nonsense full of hypothetical scenarios and untrue statements.
Fred
April 12, 2005
Essien! Sorry don't rate him I say he is in the class of Gravesen/Boateng. Essien's big and strong and all that but not a classy player like our Pat. I can think of many players I would prefer on current from, Gattuso being just one of them. Javier Mascherano is the central midfield player I would like! I've seen him control a midfield when river plate had nine men on the pitch or Davids/Seedorf because they have had a positive effect on every team they have joined since Ajax. I think Davids is Tottenham bound though.
steve martin
April 12, 2005
http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=269511&CPID=8&CLID=25&lid=&title=More+Gunners+gloom+for+Mac&channel=Premiership
Bernard
April 12, 2005
Rupen, I've just noticed something else you said: "Chelsea are way ahead on this one too. The vocal support of the fans during the match- that didn't take Roman's billions to achieve. Chelsea's supporters have lived through generations of not winning much, if anything at all, yet their support and encouragement has been one to be proud of, even when the famous Shed was brought down. The Headhunters may have grown old and moved on, but the fanatical supoport most certainly hasn't." You really must be having a laugh, have you seen some of their attendance figures over the past, and didn't you know that even this season I've seen reports that they've often failed to sell out their ticket allocation for away games?
Cannon Balls
April 12, 2005
Rupen,before you put away your crystal ball can you tell us the results of tonights matches and the Semis at the weekend??? so that we can have an idea of how reliable your predictions are!!!.
Decaf
April 12, 2005
Sounds like an interesting chap.
Bernard
April 12, 2005
Rupen, you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about. Arsenal have confirmed many times, as have the corporation building the thing (McAlpines), that the pitch will be significantly bigger at Ashburton Grove. goonerguru, I've coped the post for you. I've since had a chat with Gaz about it and he phoned the club to ask if they ran a stadium tour last Saturday (9 April), and they didn't. So it's presumably a load of claptrap. Anyway, here it is. "Whilst on a stadium tour on 9/4/05 we were herded out of the directors box into the press room because someone was coming out of the boardroom that we were not allowed to see. When we were let out and escorted down to pitch level we were made to sit down so we couldn't see up into the directors box.I managed to look up into the directors box before being ushered away and up there was Ian Wright with Shaun Wright-Phillips. (summer signing)?????"
Decaf
April 12, 2005
"for every one season Arsenal progress in the Champions league, their counterparts in Europe progress what seems like 2 or 3 years in comparison". What???
Rupen Ganatra
April 12, 2005
lives & works in London. He has an undying passion for Liverpool Football Club and feels he may not live to see England win a major football tournament! Rupen is still waiting for his season ticket at Anfield, and feels (the way things are going) he may not get hold of one, unless Liverpool move to a new stadium, which he isn’t overly keen on either!
Rupen Ganatra
April 12, 2005
Earlier this season, Arsenal really set themselves up for a fall after that long run of unbeaten games. You would have thought a squad like that would be ready and fully able to handle a minor blip mentally and physically, but it appears that they have crumbled, considering their usual form.
Arsene Wenger has also admitted that Arsenal may never win the European Cup, what else would players think of their Manager effectively giving up like that? If that was a mind game, it may be a potentially fatal one. In recent season in Arsenal's European adventures, it has become apparent that for every one season Arsenal progress in the Champions league, their counterparts in Europe progress what seems like 2 or 3 years in comparison, so Arsenal always appear to be fighting a losing battle.
Now Wenger has the problem of one of his best players being tapped up (who knows who else has been tapped up?) and you can only imagine what the likes of ambitious players like Vieira, Henry, Ljungberg & Pires will be thinking. Sure, Henry wants to break Ian Wright's record, and the best of luck to him, but even when that's acomplished, he will still have a good few years in him to explore more exotic options. The invincibles aren't quite invincible and the term 'Legends' is used far too loosely these days. Is the European Cup really going to happen for each of these players if they choose to remain at Arsenal? Surely players of this calibre would like to test their skill in La Liga or Serie A, one would think.
I fear Arsenal will lose a few vital players which will be detrimental to their progress in the domestic league next season at least. Wenger may well go and splash out in the transfer market during the close season, but who is out there that isn't Chelsea bound? Unless Arsene uncovers some more young gems like Thierry Henry - but then how many years will they take to come to fruition?
A brand spanking new stadium is something the club and the fans will be looking forward to. It may be big and new, but the pitch will have to remain the minimum regulation matchbox sized one, as that is what Arsene & Arsenal are used to. Maybe the new ground might generate some encouraging noise and send on the 12th man every now and then and eventually lose the fanmous "Highbury the Library" tag. Chelsea are way ahead on this one too. The vocal support of the fans during the match- that didn't take Roman's billions to achieve. Chelsea's supporters have lived through generations of not winning much, if anything at all, yet their support and encouragement has been one to be proud of, even when the famous Shed was brought down. The Headhunters may have grown old and moved on, but the fanatical supoport most certainly hasn't. Arsenal can only wish they had some of what's happening round the Kings Road.
I'm not totally writing off Arsenal, as I'm sure they'll be thereabouts, but I feel they will only play a bit part in Chelsea's dominance, and that bit part may only involve taking a point off their London rivals on derby day.
Cannon Balls
April 12, 2005
The prize for the quote of the day must be Lou Macari's one commenting on Fergusons tacticsthat he employs Macari advises Feruson that: "If you want just to keep possession passing the ball sideways, and only score a few goals winning nothing, then go and join Tottenham!." Quite so too, the Spuds supporters lap that old fasioned stuff up down at the Lane That Time Forgot - and the drunken jock would not look out of place among the other football Dinosaurs and neanderthals that roam about there. I see also that Old Sparky Hughes ex Manure player is at it using tactics out of the 'gaffers' manual on 'How To Assist And Influence Referees When Your Playing Arsenal'. It's the usual stuff employed by the Lying Scotsmans pal 'Big Sam' before our games with Bolton. Old Sparky laments the passing of the 'British game: "The 'foreigners", says Old Sparky have (in Fergie-Speak, Arsenal ARE the foreigners) "Bought a lot of good things into our game", however he goes on in Fergiesque style: "There is now too much diving and play-acting going on." Hmm all sounds very familiar: "The referees have got to allow us to tackle", rants Hughes. Old Sparky promises us a big shock on Saturday; all though conceeding that his club will not be able to sell their 15000 allocation of tickets. And again parroting the drunken jocks: "It would have been better if the semi were held at Villa Park". Well, it would be for Manure, all of their supporters down South would not have to travel so far to watch it. "We are unfairly branded a physical side" moans Old Sparky. But he ominously warns that; "We will not change our usual style of play for this match". Ouch!!
goonerguru
April 12, 2005
Morning Bernard,have checked the rummour mill,can't find anything from Geoff Rufus I guess it was a story linking us to SWP,was it?
Parkerknoll Gooner
April 12, 2005
Decaf - of all the players in Europe I've seen this year, not as much as I've seen in years past, the one that stands out as a perfect fit for TH14 game is Kaka. He does not have TH14 blistering pace, not many do, but in all other areas I think he can match him and I'd love AW at least to enquire about his availability, you don't get if you don't ask!
Alex
April 12, 2005
All right, all right, I admit it, Essien does look real class. But 10M (at least), and he's stated his admiration for Fergy and Man U- oh dear! Also, Wenger dismissed out of hand the rumour in Jan, not leaving much room for doubt, maybe thats why Essien sent out a 'come get me' to fergy anyway? I hope he dosn't end up there for his own sake. He could well end up like another Kleberson. Fergy can only really deal with British thugs who are scared of him. He's also a Viera type player (not physique obviously), and I don't think he'll want to spend too much time on the bench. Also, another MF player (especially a young one) would put Flamini back way down the order, which seems unfair considering how well he has done. Landreau however is a neau neau. Definitly not world class. Let him go to Celtic.
Decaf
April 12, 2005
There is something in what you say, Kiwi. David must have been bigger than Goliath. He couldn't have won 'cos he was smaller, except by skullduggery (sneaky move with slingshot), and if he was able to get away with that without attracting the attentions of the referee, he must have been the bigger side anyway. By the same antipodean logic Chocolate must be correct when he argues that players must be good enough to play 'cos otherwise they wouldn't have been picked'.
Alex
April 12, 2005
Juliano- Thanks for the Mourad Meghni rumour, really sounds like a Wenger buy. I think Wenger was linked with him in 04 as well. Glad to see Cole making the right sort of noises at last, but he does seem to have let this 'best LB in the world' business go to his head. I don't think he should be demanding investment. He wouldn't be here if Wenger didn't give youth a proper chance. If he likes teams that 'throw money around', maybe he should go to Chelsea.
Decaf
April 12, 2005
Its worrying me too, Bernard. Hopefully you will disagee with the following musings about 'playmaker' types. It strikes me that apart from their obvious skill and vision, these guys all have blistering pace, or at least the ability to 'play' when they are going at full tilt. Kaka is not exactly sitting back in the centre circle playing 40 yarders. He's distinctly on his bike, and its is his short passing game and his knowing just when to release it that is so good. Judging from those clips that Gaz (???) posted, Totti also doesn't hang around. Bergy had awesome acceleration. I haven't seen a lot of Cesc, but does he come up to the standard on in terms of pace? Reyes I fear has a bit (I stress, a bit) of the Perry Groves devil in him. The one that generates an inverse relationship between the speed of the legs and the speed of the brain.
kiwipete in Kiwi
April 12, 2005
Exiled ...how can Dehlia Smith be bringing the game into disrepute regards "the decisions go for the bigger teams?"
Norwich beat ManU 2-0 so the latter couldn't have got many decisions obviously she sees Norwich as the bigger team. Fair comment.
Juliano
April 12, 2005
Aliadière has obviously graduated with extremely honourable mention from the Darren Anderton Fitness School. He was in the promotion next to Saha's.
Bernard
April 12, 2005
Don't know if the story is true, but have a look at the rumour mill for a post by Geoff Rufus; unless someone has posted on it in the last five minutes, it is the most recent rumour on it. Could we be improving right midfield (though goonerguru might not want us to with this player).
Bernard
April 12, 2005
In Thierry Henry, in my view we currently have the best player in the world due to the way he presently plays in the team. Considering that, any idea of asking him to play a different type of games strikes me as utter lunacy, at least until he loses a bit of pace through age. Blimey, that means Decaf and me have agreed about two different things in the same day! Juliano summed it up perfectly as well, Henry gets many assists but they're generally different types of assists to Bergkamp's defence splitting passes. DaveM, Quincy's improvement over the last year has come through him not being in the first team much. I still think it could be costly to give him too much too soon, in terms of a regular first team place.
no way jose
April 12, 2005
While I don't watch many Serie A games I have always looked out for Totti in European and international games because of the hype around him. From what I have seen he is probably the most over-rated, petulant player in Europe. I wouldn't want him.
vinny
April 12, 2005
arsenal to get totti cause he is da man, but they shud get rid of gilberto n den buy totti
steve martin
April 12, 2005
Talking of playmakers like TH14, DB10 and RP7, it would seem to me, by the stats anyway, that Th14 is two players… So far this season he has scored 30 goals and 22 assists… of the 25 goals he has scored in the Prem 21 have been at home, yet most of his assists come away from Highbury… Perhaps his is the ultimate team player, bully at home, and helping the team out away, by making goals…
Rich
April 12, 2005
Good article about Senderos here...... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/football/articles/17866846?source=Evening%20Standard......explains the amount of clubs that were after him, basically said that pretty much everyone who is in the G14 wanted him!
Juliano
April 12, 2005
Replace DB10? I don't think Tezza would be a suitable replacement for Dennis, he doesn't have the same eye for a pass. I know he has many assists, but most of them are cuts back in the area after he has beaten his man, not the kind of defense splitting pass in the last third that we've been used to see from Dennis. And let's face it, Thierry has so much pace that it'd be a waste not to use it. I think Van Persie could be that man, he has outstanding ability to beat his man, and he can create space where there seemed to be none. He needs to keep his temper though. What surprises me most about this lad is that when I read his interviews he always sound like he knows his shortcomings, that he still has plenty of work to make, a very down to earth personality, yet when he's on the pitch he looks a red card in the making, very hot headed. Finally, there is someone I'd like us to sign, he is not known but came through the ranks at AS Cannes, and was supposed to be the next Zidane. He chose to sign for Bologna and he doesn't seem to get on very well with their coach, but I read on yahoo.it that he was supposed to be linked with Juventus and Real Madrid so he must have had some good games. His name is Mourad Meghni.
old man of hoy
April 12, 2005
A beautiful sunny day in London - i feel a Cup Final coming on though i think it will be a titanic struggle with Blackburn who are hitting form right now. Henry is already a playmaker - have you not noticed we have two when Dennis plays, and three if Bob is on the field? That my friends is why we score so many goals - creativity all over the place. Keep Dennis for one more year - i want to see him in that claret shirt. Off to work so i bid you a lovely day.
Abe is in a terrible state and goes to see Dr Myers, his psychiatrist.
"Doctor, I need your help in a big way. I feel very suicidal. What should I do?"
Doctor Myers replies, "You must pay me in advance."
SOLMAN
April 12, 2005
Decaf , let me explain , there is not a player in world football who we could afford who could replae DB so we need to rethink , we should buy a central out and out striker and let Henry drift (like he does already)
Alex
April 12, 2005
The other advantage of Wenger keeping faith with players, and having a stable 1st 11, is that players will come because they know they will be given a chance, and won't be droped after a poor run. Players appreciate that a lot. Decided that I havn't got a clue what Wenger will do in the summer, but it will be fascinating to see. I also have a got a very good feeling about the remainder of the season, and next season. Come on Arsenal!
Jimmy
April 12, 2005
usukgooner is none other but American Gooner setting up a question and then answering it. What a joker!
AmericanGooner
April 12, 2005
Why does the Guardian have a headline intimating that Cole threatens to leave when in the same interview Cole says he'd love to be captain one day? Cole would like it if we could buy big. So would Henry who said the same thing. The 4th estate, whatever!
AmericanGooner
2goalsOf73@setpieces
April 12, 2005
Don't have a link. I found this on another site. Very interesting-----In a season in which the Gunners have scored just two of their 73 league goals from a set-piece, it was noteworthy that two of their loanees, David Bentley and Jermaine Pennant, were the architects behind the costly set-piece goals conceded by Chelski and ManYoo this weekend.
Both offensively and defensively, set pieces are the glaring difference between the top three.
As well as being a regular avenue of success in Europe, approximately a quarter of Chelski’s Premiership goals have directly resulted from either a corner or free-kick. ManYoo’s record is barely superior to Arsenal’s though – just four from a total of 48.
Arsenal’s susceptibility to dead balls throughout the season has been well-documented (although there are definite signs that they are improving in this area), but an alarming proportion of the 17 goals conceded by ManYoo have occurred in the same manner. That one of the two goals scored by Arsenal from a dead ball happened against ManYoo - Patrick Vieira’s header from a corner in February - is suggestive.
That said, Chelski and, in particular their highly-regarded goalkeeper, may also have a relative weakness from dead balls. In a season in which he has barely made an error, Petr Cech has twice been caught short beneath a high cross (against Bolton in late November and likewise on Saturday). It’s an oddity considering his giant stature.
From a Highbury perspective, meanwhile, the loan system is proving to be a double-edged sword: on the one hand it provides much-need first-team experience; on the other it results in the loanees, their appetite for regular Premiership activity sated, being unwilling to return for another season on the bench and playing in front of deserted stadiums for the reserves.
"I'll speak to Arsenal and see what they have got to say, but maybe my future lies somewhere else,” said Bentley last week. "I don't want to be playing reserve team football anymore and I won't be playing reserve team football next year. I've moved on from that definitely. I'm not going to go back and just sit about next year."
Displaying a remarkable lack of gratitude and tact considering Birmingham’s loyalty to him whilst he was eating porridge, Pennant also issued a statement last week in which he said he would only consider joining Brum after first speaking to Arsenal about his future. With Arsene Wenger already publicly suggesting that Pennant should move, he’s likely to find it an ill-fated and ill-judged venture.
Bentley’s prospects, though, are significantly more advanced. Wenger spoke approvingly of the youngster recently and, reading between the lines, it appears that there are just 14 months before Robert Pires’ best-before date expires. Given the similarity in styles, and his considerable ability, Bentley has a realistic shout of being his successor.
But Arsene may need all his powers of persuasion if Bentley is to first return to Highbury and bide his time.
AmericanGooner
April 12, 2005
In a perfect world Ronaldinho or Kaka would be ideal after Bergkamp leaves. I think we'll find that Cesc will have taken over the Bergkamp role before all is said and done. He's only 17 but by 19 or 20, he'll be one of the world's best playmakers, if he has someone behind him to play sweeper. Bentley is the only other person we have on the books that is closest to what is suggested. **** I am strangely (to some) very optimistic about next season. Chelsea seems too strong and will go from strength to strength because of their billions, but I recall being in the similar position in the late '90s. Newcastle, Leeds, flattered but it Man Yoo seemed just as invincible. Their hold seemed more assured than Chelsea's, but then along came a man who many said 'Arsene who?'. We'll make a very strong challenge next season. No club, even leagues that have one club that seem to dominate all the time (Galatasarray, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich) can't keep it up all the time. I just can't see Chelsea repeating the same consistency, getting the same luck, lack of injuries to key players and referee decisions at the crucial times agian next season. Plus, the supposed cool and confident Mourinho is showing cracks in a great season. When things go a little 'pear shaped' as you all say, I don't see how he will respond well. Fergie and Wenger have proved their mettle when it hits the fan but Mourinho has been riding a gravy train. Plus, we will be a lot more serious next season, just like we did in the '04 season. The past 5 weeks, and if it continues into next season, will see the new Arsenal I think. Wenger has to address the defense. I think we'll see the 3 and 4 goal games but it won't be a 3-1 or 4-1 scoreline, if the likes of Senderos and Campbell are anchoring us. Throw in an Eboue who I think will emerge as our primary RB and we'll look more like '98. A combination of flair with a bit of steel from the previous years. We're quietly going on a run right now that the papers are overlooking. I have a feeling of the 10 games left in all competitions we'll win 8 at the very least and probably 9 and 1 draw but don't be surprised if we run the table of games left.
Dormouse
April 12, 2005
When Henry scores as many goals per game as he does, and still manages a lot of assists, the idea of trying to change his roles seems likely to make things worse. Someone to act as a Plan B is fine & maybe Henry could try a different role some of the time then, but he's the best striker we or anyone else has at the moment.
Decaf
April 12, 2005
I'm not sure that I understand the "Henry as Bergkamp's replacement" idea, at least not before he has lost a bit of pace. I know that he gets a lot of assists, but I just don't see him as a playmaker. I would say Henry is a good passer and a good reader of the game, and very good finisher and dead ball player. However, the attributes that make him world class are still his pace, power, flair, and close control at speed. Henry need to be supported, not the supporter.
gaz from Oz
April 12, 2005
I see on Soccernet that Alex Fergiescum has suggested that the FA Cup semi were at Cardiff because Arsenal wanted it there rather than Villa Park. The FA have denied this is the case. Time for someone from Arsenal to stir up the pot. I suggest we ask for an immediate apology. Failing an apology then we should ask the FA to take action against MU for unfounded lies against our club. The precedent has been set with Mourinho who made partially false allegations. Anything less than a 2 match touchline ban would not be appropriate given that the FA peronally intervened earlier about the relationship between Arsenal & MU. Of course Fergie is looking for cover as his aging team falter and the profits fall. As a manager he is last decades man. He may be looking for employment if they don't win the FA cup. By the way the surface at Villa appears to be of sub standard given the number of players who slipped on it on the week-end.
AmericanGooner
April 12, 2005
I read that after the Norwich Fergie didn't show up for his post game interview on MUTV for the first time in 7 years....hehehe...:-)
SOLMAN
April 12, 2005
Decaf - Henry should be DB replacement , we then need to replace Henry
AmericanGooner
April 12, 2005
When everyone is healthy our squad is very formidable. Remember after the '03 season in the summer, they said we'll be hard pressed to win the title because we didn't strengthen our squad enough and didn't buy big? Lehmann was the only person of note. Man Yoo were favored to repeat as champions. They bought Djemba-Djemba, Kleiberson, Ronaldo, Bellion. What happened? A season unbeaten in the top flight and Man Yoo were 3rd. Agree with Decaf that we only need a couple positions. We may haggle over the positions but we have a solid nucleus here already. Getting a keeper, a great keeper, I agree with (the Argie/River Plate keeper looks good IMO). I agree we need a striker as well (my vote is Yakubu). I think we can get by wide right by converting Quincy to a winger and him challenging Freddie. Or have Reyes on the right to cut in on his strongest foot like Bobby does on the left. Bentley could be useful as well. I'd see how just a new keeper and striker would work and if need be then go for a winger in January for the final push.
old man of hoy
April 12, 2005
Dave M - i agree that Le Boss can be conservative in making changes to his team once they are on the field - e.g. the metronomic regularity of the 70 minute substitutions - but i can't see how you can believe he is conservative in his general approach. Just run down the list of young unknown players he has brought in who have been successful for us - Vieira, Anelka, Manninger, Wreh, Ljungberg, Cole, Fabregas, Clichy, Flamini and Toure. Then reflect on the gamble he took on players with question marks against their names - Overmars, Petit, Kanu, Pires and Henry - all of whom turned out to be winners for us. Then think about his risk-taking in the Carling Cup where he set the now popular trend of putting out a largely youth squad against Premiership opposition. Think of the way he took the difficult decisions to move established players out of the club even if it meant criticism - Wright, Merson, Silvinho and Seaman spring to mind. Ok he is not perfect but conservative he ain't.
Decaf
April 12, 2005
To summarize: keeper and someone replace Bergy as a playmaker, and the rest will sort itself out. Bernard, I agree with you completely about over-hyping young players. Its the same kind of "wish you were there" thinking that has people falling over each other praising Gilberto for (as far as I can make out) getting injured.
AmericanGooner
April 12, 2005
This guy is actually a Brit here in the states. http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/3531456 **** We get the Schalke v. Hamburg game this weekend. Another chance to see the defender JamesLT talked about.
Decaf
April 12, 2005
Hedges, I disagree with you when you argue that we need more than 3 players and that our squad is too thin. What we lack at the moment is leadership and spark, because we really did not refresh the squad last season (you can't count the likes of Cesc: the big signing failed). Although Pires and Fred have good-looking goalscoring records, it is really poor old TH has been carrying the team this season. If we buy or graduate ONE player who puts in sensational performances (whether that is a keeper, defender, whatever) it could lift the whole bunch, and the whole thing to start clicking like a rolls-royce again. We have to get someone WORLD CLASS in one of the following positions: keeper, right mid, or striker/playmaker.
AmericanGooner
April 12, 2005
Cesc is NOT a right midfield player, lacks the pace for one, as well as his talents will be wasted far right and he is far more effective elsewhere. There really is only two positions he can play. His present one or perhaps the Bergkamp support striker role. That's it. **** I would like a couple of our youth on the bench in CL games. Our established stars get psyched out by the competition at crucial times. Its mental. The one thing I have noticed with most of our youth is that they are not fazed by this. They train with Bergkamp, Henry, Pires and Sol each day in training. They are brimming with confidence and the foreign players have built up a little bit of 'British steel' in the reserve games against youth. Look at Aliadiere at Inter. He came on and set up the last goal, was not awed by the occasion. Senderos in Bayern. The article I mentioned about Cesc several days ago about his relishing the games like Man Yoo and he has shown a lot of bottle in games, taking the ball out of the Sheff Utd keeper in the FA cup for the corner and standing toe to toe with anyone who has any thing to say to him and can dish out the revenge tackle as he did several weeks ago. I've said this before. I think we may have to wait for the next class, the youth to win the CL for us. I hope and pray Henry, Vieira, Pires and the older stars can do it, but they are mentally pscyhed out at times. The youth don't seem to have that problem (Lupoli the exception).
AmericanGooner
April 12, 2005
Steve Martin, I totally agree about the style of footie. I wouldn't want to see the other 19 clubs play like Everton. I also wouldn't want that style adopted as a way to get in the top 4. That said (and to respond to Decaf) Everton have very few, if any, flair players and they don't have much choice. They were picked to be a relegation team and lost their 'best' player. Its their determination I admire to still be 4th when everyone including myself thought the wheels would certainly have fallen off by this time of the year. Its the spirit I admire, not the football. I think this season's Arsenal could learn a thing or two or bottle from this Everton side. It will be a little exciting to see Everton in the CL though. Not sure if they'll get through the group stages but if they do, imagine the likes of Real Madrid, Milan or Barca possbily coming to their grounds?! As far as our style, no way I would have conceived this when I first became a supporter. **** A while back, before he was converted to CB, I wanted Toure` at RB. I thought he would develop into a better RB than Lauren and at the time my reasoning for him being at RB was only to have someone better than Lauren. Eboue is better (or will be better) than either. Hoyte as well. Toure` can stay at CB in my opinion as we have adequate talent at that position. His services aren't needed at that position.
AmericanGooner
April 12, 2005
usukgooner, I have mixed feelings about who I want in the final. Newcastle would give us a win, leave Man Yoo with no trophies and 3rd place likely as it stands now. The only problem with is that Man Yoo still has a pscyhological advantage over us. They are our hoodoo team. When we face them next season we'll stil have the same hoodoo. If we get them in the final and beat them, it will set us up nicely going into next season. It may even hasten Fergie out the door. If we lose, then I am hoping it will force Wenger to make some tough decisions. Decisions that he may not have considered prior. Decisions to buy players he likes but probalby would not buy because of cost. I will be cheering for Newcastle in the game as I can't cheer for Man Yoo under almost any set of circumstances. (almost...I will be for them when they play Chelsea). ***** I would so much like to see us get Yakubu in the summer. He offers a lot of things we don't have. He can also help in clearing the ball on corners and free kicks. Can do what Drogba did for Chelsea in the BM game and head volleys to players in the channels. He can play with his back to the goal keep a CB at bay which will open up space for someone else. **** Fred, with the Man Yoo/Chelsea game moved to the end of the season it makes the little hope we have even less likely. They'll win it before that game and we needed Man Yoo to take points off them.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Usukgooner, that's easy. There would be nothing like the satisfaction from beating Newcastle. Anyway, I'm off.
usukgooner
April 12, 2005
Here is a question, would you rather Newcastle or MU in an FA Cup Final? I am sick of playing MU who will stop at nothing, legal or otherwise to beat us. I would rather just a good old fashioned Cup Final with a strong opponent we should beat.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
East End, indeed nice "speaking" with you too. Believe me, I'm more than happy to be proved wrong. My ultimate concern is we have no right to be successful. Even when we have AG and lots of money it doesn't guarentee anything (look at ManU). This period might be our best chance to win the CL for decades. I think Wenger needs to do something differently, and to me a big part of that is removing the complacency (and occasionally fear) the 1st team sometimes exhibit. If the 5 players you mention make it that obviously makes it very hard for others to (actually if they did get established I'd probably be upset that the next generation aren't allowed to compete with them), but as you say it would be a good return. The bar is very high, I'm just frustrated that certain first team players repeatedly get in despite not clearing it. I think Flamini (not really a true young player) is underrated. To your list I'd add Djourou as a certainty, and Lupoli, Ryan Smith and Muamba and Bendtner have a chance over the next couple of years (as does Hoyte). They won't all make it, I just want them to be given a fair chance.
Cannon Balls
April 12, 2005
If you use success in the Cl to be the criteria on which a season is judged to be a success or failure them there are a lot of failures every season because only one team out of the whole of Europe can win the CL!.You can only say that we have had a disappointing season in Europe at this stage of the season. We are 3 points in front of United and have a great chance to get second spot in the league and auto qualification for the CL. And we can also win the FA Cup - so at this point in time i would not say that we are having a disappointing season domestically - unless you assume that we should win the league title every season, but we do not win it every season and no one ever has. Failure to finish second now in the Premiershiop will be in my view grounds for us having had a bad season because under Wenger we have never finished lower than that. Even winning the FA Cup would not compensate for what would be a backward step and a lowering of our own standards. Let United be third best they were a couple of seasons ago when the car-thieves pipped them to second spot behind us.For me finishing in front of United in the league is more of a priority than winning the FA Cup.Though i expect us of course to do that too.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
East End, no for me he just doesn't release the ball at the right time. He did have a fantastic start to the season and he was in my fantasy football team. Certainly the Neville's set him back, but I think it's more fundamental than confidence. I'm not sure he's a very good decision maker (I think this is what originally annoyed Henry), and you have to be that to be a great player. He used to run with the ball well, but even there he seems to have been worked out by defenders. Where has his wonderful striking of the ball gone? He isn't scoring and he isn't creating. I used to think he'd fullfill his potential somewhere in Spain. Right now I'm not sure he'll fullfill it anywhere.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
Anyway - good "speaking" with you again DaveM. I suppose we'll just have to wait another couple of years for Wenger to prove you wrong again! By which point of course you'll be championing a new generation of youth! For what its worth I still believe if they are good enough for Arsenal they will make it here but the bar is very, very high. Cesc clearly is, as is Clichy (though with Cole there we will have to see how it works out), Senderos is prety certain, Van P should do it and I think Quincy may be up to it. I think Aliadiere is touch and go but that is really nobody's fault. It is difficult when every time you get a chance you are crocked. The rest I am not sure about. But even if just the ones above make it, that will be an excellent return.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
DaveM - I dont know about Boro as I hardly saw any of it. I thought he was pretty good against Norwich as well thogh hardly the stiffest opposition. I dont reckon any of this is about him having his head down too much or not developing. I think it is entirely attitude and pyschology. He was sensational at the start of the season. Most on here thought he was going to be a candidate for player of the season. I had him in my fantasy team and goals and assists saw him racking up the points so he must have been fairly creative. And then he got spooked by the Nevilles which seemed to coincide with his homesickness and the understandable if somewhat intolerant and uncharitable attitude of Henry (and I still think the Arogones incident didn't help). It is going to be hard to pull round but it is possible and I would be delighted because, apart from Henry and maybe Bergkamp, he looked the most talented player I have seen in my time at the club.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
I have the Terry incident on video. I'll check it and get back to you (although I'm not sure when I'll post again).
DaveM
April 12, 2005
East End, I believe Reyes performance against Boro was poor. He was pretty decent against Blackburn, but that has been the exception in recent times. Of course Wenger doesn't want to dump him - frankly it would be embarrassing. However, I don't see any sign he's a better player than he was this time last year (again the contrast with Quincy). That's deeply disturbing. Never mind the lack of goals, he isn't creating enough. He plays with his head down too much, and by now the coaching should have been making more of a difference. We both agree Wenger has to win the game, we just have a different approach to it. I'd play VP instead of Bergkamp. We're going up against a 5 man midfield - whoever our 'no. 10' is, he's going to have a hard game.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
I dont think it was over the line Ralph/DaveM - which makes it an interesting one. He handballed it while it was in play but failed to save it. When a player fouls another, the ref is entiteld to allow play to carry on before coming back to take action over the original incident. I think technically, the ref was within his rights and maybe even compelled by the rules to allow the goal and then send Terry off. You would never see it though. Even though it would have been ****ing hilarious.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Ralph, it was already over the line by the time he handled it. Yes we have expectations, and some of our big name, experienced players have fallen well short in certain games and yet keep playing. We're second and have failed in Europe again. Wenger is very conservative, which is both a strength and a weakness, but I think if he tweaked his selection policy we'd have fewer poor performances.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
Look Reyes has frustrated me massively this season. He is a little baby who is pissing away one of the best opportunities to develop as a person that he may ever have. His family aren't helping him but he is a 21 year old and should tell them to **** off. However, as yet we haven't sold him and it still looks like Wenger wants to make something of him. His last few performances, while still short of the sensational (player of the year in the making) form of the start of the season have been pretty decent and certainly well above anything that I have seen from Quincy YET. Going into the semi Wenger's job is to forget about anything other than winning this match (something he failed to do last season). I truly dont believe that Quincy gives us a better chance of winning this game than Reyes. Or that Aliadiere with not a start behind him is a better bet than Bergkamp.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Mee, yes. The fact we're in the semi and the league is likely to go down to the wire means we're unlikely to see many young players. I genuinely believe we'd have more chance of achieving our aims with some of the youngsters than we do by going for the conservative selections I expect to see. The next few games are going to be hard.
Ralph (3/- Clock Ender)
April 12, 2005
Why was John Terry's handball on the line when trying to prevent Brum's goal not rewarded with a red card?
Ralph (3/- Clock Ender)
April 12, 2005
Re; Youth debate. Mr Wenger tries to put teams out that are comfortable with each others game. Introducing a random kid (LUPOLI) and expecting them to flourish for several matches is a dream/disaster waiting to happen. See if Everton play their new wunderkid again vs a top team and see if he succeeds again. I also believe it is an expectation thing. What Fabregas, Senderos, Clichy, Aliadiere and RVP are doing is a bonus when it goes well and a shrug when it does not due to their experience and small fees. However, Reyes is of a similar age but a high fee, so the fans are a little less tolerant. Kids can get experience with teams that are happy to survive. At Arsenal it is a thin line between success and failure because we are perceived to now be a big player and any drop in performance or results is seen as crisis time. Spurs or Bolton or Man City can ‘enjoy’ middle table status with its lows & highs while introducing young players. If they survive relegation they are a success. Arsenal have gone too high for the media to allow us a few seasons in the doldrums. Success this season for me will be to be higher than ManU which means we have beaten them for two back to back seasons. For me this shows how far this club has come on the finances we enjoy. If we can achieve it again next year and be in top two we will have a chance to float into our new home AG with a squad that is ready to win big in a stadium that needs a big team to grace its sward. Trust Arsene.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Bernard, yes he was kicked out because of his attitude, and he's turned it all around. When I saw him in the CC last season I thought he was a show-pony. He has really progressed. It's true he could think as you've suggested, but equally he could think 'I'm playing well, Reyes isn't, yet I can't even get to the bench'. Or, if he did get in he might even think 'Wow, what a meritocracy. Being in the side is dependant on performance. If the boss will drop Reyes who he paid all that money for, he'd certainly drop me. I must have a spotless attitude and work really hard'. Which attitude is generally healthier for the club?
Mee
April 12, 2005
DaveM; Have to agree with you on Reyes, although he has undoubted quality, his confidence seems low. Unfortunately as we are still challenging for second place in the PL and in the cup semi, the opportunities for giving someone like Quincy an extended run are restricted.
Bernard
April 12, 2005
Sorry DaveM, but Quincy has said a few times that he didn't make it at Ajax because his attitude stank (I can't remember the exact word he used, but it meant that). If he was suddenly given the impression that all he had to do to get a first team place at Arsenal was play well in two lesser cup matches, I think he could suddenly think: 'life's so easy, you don't have to work at it to become a first teamer at Arsenal'. And if that happened, his attitude would probably look to the people at Arsenal how it apparently looked to the people at Ajax. If Wenger makes him think he's got to play really well in a lot of games to have a chance of making an impact, in my view he'll have far more chance of making it here.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Mee, I thought BM looked good against us at Highbury. To be honest I thought they might have a chance against Chelsea. I didn't think we came close to getting the second.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Clock End Ginger, ah, but what happened to the guy who wasn't too greedy? Where I came in this afternoon was that I think next season is shaping up to be very similar to this. Wenger needs to be ruthless, and either sell some of the first teamers or let selection be based more on form. Reyes is nowhere near his early season form. He's been given loads of chances, and he isn't delivering. A player as quick and skillful as Quincy will be a nightmare to defend against - I'd just like to see him given more chances.
Mee
April 12, 2005
DaveM I don’t believe Bayern were able to step up a gear in the last twenty minutes of the home game, in fact had we enjoyed a ‘lucky deflection’ or the ref had failed to spot an infrigement from a corner, we would not be having this failure in Europe discussion at all.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Bernard, sorry to stun you. Yes, based on that. Quincy is wonderfully gifted, as is Reyes. However, Quincy has recovered from Ajax effectively ending his career at 15, showing a mental strength which Reyes is sadly lacking. The OT game was distorted by their early goal and greater physical strength all over the pitch. He seems to have everything he needs to be a top player, and he's taken the opportunties he's been given. He deserves more.
clock End Ginger
April 12, 2005
One of the themes of Layer Cake, a pretty decent Brit gangster film, which I watched at the weekend, is not being too greedy, and appreciating when things are going along nicely for you. Well, its been a good season. I go along with EEG that the big failures centre around Man Utd in the Premiership. We need to be menatally tougher. I also rue Henry missing that late sitter against Chelsea as psychologically, that was a big point for them. But I cannot stand the type of fans who think that if you don't win the Premiership the season is a disaster. Life isn't, and what is more, shouldn't be like that. We don't deserve it this year; It has been transitional, but next year we will have Fabregas, Flamini, Senderos, Van Persie, Quincy and Eboue, with more experience. We're still top scorers, and it looks like we will get second again, and you now have to go right back to 1997 to find the last time we were out of the top two; That in itself is Wenger's greatest acheivement, alongside the type of football we're known for. If we beat Utd in the Final, as I believe we will, then we'll all feel even better. Of course in one sense its a nightmare that Chelsea have come along with unlimited cash but its also a new challenge: how sweet will it be to topple them next season? We are not as far away as some imagine; A goalkeeper, a centre back and a striker to help Henry and replace Reyes could sort it, plus Vieira off the back of a proper break rather than a tournament and a summer fling with Real Madrid. Meanwhile there is a team in third who cannot score and have spent all their cash. Life could be drastically worse. As long as AW isn't complacent and spends this summer we should be stronger next time round...
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
I think "dropping" is the wrong word. When he brings in a young player it is for a reason and they know that. If following a cup opportunity they are not put into the next League game, they are not dropped so much as the existing first teamer is recalled. Remember that those cup teams had included players like Djourou (sp), Larsen, Karbassyan (??) etc. Quincy was good so was given a league game and some substitute appearances. That was a massive boost from Wenger and I dount Quincy expected it. He looked ok but was not within a million miles of Reyes early season-from. Even a just above average Reyes like at Ewood is some way ahead of Quincy. The problem you have is you over-inflate the first team performances of the youngsters in your mind and that may be based on seeing a lot of reserve football which is sunday standard by comparison. I think Wenger has managed the youth very well this season.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
East End, it's true Chelsea have distorted the league. However, the performances against WBA, Southampton, and Crystal Palace had nothing to do with Chelsea. As for Europe, surely the fact that teams who are worse than us keep doing better suggests we are doing something seriously wrong? The home game against BM was a lacklustre performance. We never looked like we believed we'd win. Compare that with Liverpool against Juve at Anfield. I also had the feeling BM were holding us at arms length and could have gone up the gears if they'd wanted to. Our tactics and attitude aren't good enough in Europe - we seems to struggle in so many games.
Bernard
April 12, 2005
DaveM, I was stunned to see you say that you think Quincy would give us more than Reyes. Based on what exactly; a top game in the League Cup against Everton and a good game in the FA Cup against Sheffield United? It's right that he has to do more than that to earn a first team place in my view, after all he was very poor in the League Cup at Old Trafford.
Gunfire
April 12, 2005
Davem. You are right on the money about Europe. We need to try something new and try new players in new positions. Manure have fallen back and will fall back further I am thrilled to say. We need to improve for next season. I like you will not be happy with another exit from Europe before the clocks go forward.
Mee
April 12, 2005
DaveM; Wenger has argued that given his resources the club has no more right than Tottenham to demand a CL place or the title every other year. What he has acheived on a tight budget is little short of miraculous. The fact that Chelsea are 11 points ahead is rather more to do with the ‘Abromavich effect’ than any diminishing in playing standards at Arsenal. I agree totally with EEGooner in relation to converting players to different positions, Henry had to be persuaded of this himself!
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Also, the 'the senior players know their value' point is fundamental. I think some of them are all too aware they won't be dropped, no matter how poorly they play.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
DaveM - I think the League is distorted and it is difficult to fight the combined efforts of two top class first teams. The 11 points is a freak from a franchise. It is nothing like 2000 and 2001. Without the franchise we would be champions three out of four seasons and it is unfair to judge Wenger as failing in circumstances where the goal-posts have been shifted so dramatically. As for Europe I have been pissed off with it for years. I accept our failings seem to be more than coincidence but it is still a knock-out cup. Our performance at home to Bayern was pretty good and we had poor luck with injuries at a crucial time. Given it was won by Porto last year in a final with Monaco with Chelsea and Deportivo in the semis and this year has Liverpool a possible semi-finalist to be joined by one of PSV and Lyon, I am not going to accept we are just not good enough. Had we not managed to win our group I think we would be in the semi.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Juliano, I think you sum up Wenger's thinking exactly. I just think it's wrong. Our young players look mentally tough as nails to me (unlike certain other players I could mention). At some point you have to give them a chance to fail. We've had one player thrown in too early this season - Lupoli at Sheffield United. Generally they haven't let him down at-all. Then he drops them.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
East End, I guess you can undermine any achievement if you want to, but I think Toure played at the back because we'd run out of centre-halves for the Charity Shield and he happened to do very well. We have indeed played some extremely young sides this year, they've repeatedly done the job for us, and their reward is to be dropped. Wenger will play young players, and I think he really believes in them. However, I still think he seems them as being young players, and everyone else being senior, and then we come back to the hierachy point I've made before. Wenger will play young players if he has no choice. If he has a choice he won't. He seems to have purposely stripped the squad of average older players (Mendez, Maltz etc) - he's so close now, if only he'd select on form rather than on name.
Juliano
April 12, 2005
DaveM-I understand you point, and your way of thinking. The difference between a first teamer, who may have the odd poor game, and a youngster, is that with a first teamer you know what you've got, whereas playing a youngster means taking a risk. You'd like Wenger to take more risks, but you don't have all the information he has at his disposal. He knows how they're doing with the ressies, he has Banfield and Brady telling him who's ready and who's not. Wenger doesn't have a problem with youngsters, those who impress keep their place. I even think that he's too keen on Aliadière for example, who in my opinion has shown nothing more than Pennant in the few games he's played. On the other hand, think about what could happen to a youngster if he's thrown in while not ready? If he has an absolute mare for his first game, how will he react? You may argue that first teamer have mares, but the difference is they know their value, and they -mostly- don't see their confidence drop after one bad game.
Allinson I
April 12, 2005
I believe we have to go (mostly) with experience on Saturday, hence: Jens, Lauren, Campbell (if not 100% fit Senderos), Toure, Cole, Ljungberg, Vieira, Gilberto, JAR, Henry, Bergkamp. Tough call for Phillipe, but if Campbell is fully fit I'd reunite him with Toure - Wenger needs to decide by August who his first choice CB partnership is (and it may be Phillipe) - but for now I'd go with Toure/Campbell and then try out Senderos/Campbell for some of the last few PL games. I'd keep Freddy there, and believe we need to start JAR for as many games as possible until May (to work out whether we want to keep him and/or boost his transfer value - personally I think he should stay). Put Bob on the bench - he's better coming on later than JAR anyway. Most important - I'm looking forward to going (but not the journey) for 2nd match only this season. PTBAG.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Niall, I guess this comes down to definitions. I don't see Henry, Vieira and Reyes as 'young' players when they arrived. They were Wenger signings, and Wenger had a particular plan for them. As has been discussed, he is incredibly loyal to players he likes and gave them a lot of chances (although Vieira was great from the start) - I don't think players who've come through the youth and reserves get the same chances. Basically I don't think selection has much to do with how people are playing. I think Reyes and Quincy are a good example. Wenger persists with Reyes despite poor or indifferent form. I think if Quincy was given those opportunities then he'd do a lot more with them than Reyes has. I still await with interest what Wenger will do with Cesc now he has all his midfielders available. Senderos is the exception - he looks like he's won his place - but that was a bit of a no-brainer, given how good he is in the air and how porr we are.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
DaveM - I have banged on about Wenger's caution for some time but I dont see it in terms of youth. I think it has manifested itself more in the likes of Edu taking so long to get a proper go and in some of his substitutions and tactics. But, to be fair to Wenger, he could ask whether it is a cautious manager who takes a failing right-winger and turns him into the finest centre-forward in the World or who gives a first team centre-back position to a 21-year old utility player. And I doubt any other team has given so much opportunity to youth this season. We have had a 17 year old play over half our games in centre-midfield, a 19 year old establish himself at centre-back, another 19 year old make some people relax about the possibility of losing one of the best left backs in the World and have given significant opportunities to other very young players to the extent that the average age of some of our teams has been ridiculously low.
Juliano
April 12, 2005
Alex-I'd be interested to know the answer. I think Tottenham have played a fair amount of them. Ziegler, Kelly, Marney. But then again, it depends of the way of counting. A fair way would be to count the number of U21 playing league games.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Alex, er yes. Juliano, why should young players be expected to set the world alight on their first game when we've had so many signings (Pires and Henry are two prominant examples) who've taken ages to achieve their potential. Wenger does put a big emphasis on the youth academy, and he is happy to play them when nobody else is available, but they aren't allowed to compete. If expectations are so high, and every game counts, why do we put up with so many poor performances so certain of the senior players? East End, we're 11 points off the lead and we've got nowhere in Europe again. Are you content for it to be like this next season? Wenger looks to have overtaken Ferguson, and that is impressive, but lots of that is them going backwards. We need to do something in Europe.
Niall
April 12, 2005
Reyes, Vieira, Cole, Henry, Cesc etc etc. Wenger will play them if they are good enough DaveM, I mean all the facts support that conclusion. The one he says might prove him wrong is Sidwell and there is a chance he might even buy him back!!
Alex
April 12, 2005
I havn't written off Pires for one. But I do think he needs a bit more competition. If Reyes is staying, I guess he will offer that, though I think he wants more oppertunities up front. I think he and Ljungberg in the next few years could be like are Rui Costas.
Alex
April 12, 2005
Who in the PL has given more chances to young players this season?
DaveM
April 12, 2005
East End, absolutely right. I've posted a large amount here over the years, and much of it has turned out to be wrong. And yes, Wenger may possibly have made a better job of managing Arsenal than I would have done. However, at this point I think my long held belief that Wenger is extremely conservative in team selection is correct, and I think we'd have achieved more if he'd changed that approach (I nearly said philosophy). I don't remember you ever saying anything like that before, but perhaps I'm mistaken. Bernard, what can I say. I just disagree with you on the merits of Cole and Clichy. However, if Cole doesn't want to play there then that's obviously a problem.
Mee
April 12, 2005
Everybody seems ready to write Pires off. Presumably these are the same dissenting voices we heard last year, just before he scored a spectacular goal away to Liverpool in the rain.
Alex
April 12, 2005
Planet Football. Wasn't the Semi in 98/99?
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
I dont think this season has been a failure. There have been mistakes and disappointments. The biggest mistakes were the over-reaction to the first United defeat (although dont forget we were cheated out of that game in a big way) and the failure to deal properly with the goal-keeping situation. The biggest disappointment was the discraceful surrender to United at Highbury after we had taken them in the first half. However, even though you could say we should have got more points here and there, it would have required a record to win it and our overall performance so far has been ok. What Wenger has done (as opposed to being passed) is to pass United. I expect by the end of the season we will have beaten United in three of the last four seasons and without the freak that is Abramovich Town, we would have won three of four titles with our own failings causing the only blip.
Juliano
April 12, 2005
I don't think Wenger is being over cautious with youngsters. Wherever he's been, he has always put a great focus on the youth academy. But it is very different at a club like Arsenal, where every game counts, and the level of expectation is very, very high. To warrant a first team spot, a youngster has to impress straight away, and to be honest, those who have have kept their place in the squad. I agree there aren't many of them, namely Cole, Touré, Clichy, Cesc. The problem is that whilst some players will instantly adjust to the pace/level of the first team, others will take more time, would need more games under their belt to take the next step. Unfortunately, that is a luxury that we cannot afford with the level of expectation at Arsenal, that is why players like Pennant, Bentley and others have been loaned at lower ranked clubs, to gain some much needed top flight practice. If they cannot impress enough then they're probably not Arsenal stuff, like Volz or Pennant. Decent premiership players, who may even reach an excellent level at 26/27, but we need more than that. It is disappointing to see someone not making it, but to get a bit of perspective, a couple of years ago the youngsters who left the club were ending playing division 2, division 1 at best, and were not setting the place alight (Vernazza for example) whereas those who have recently left are playing top flight football (Thomas, Ricketts, Volz, Pennant, Upson) or shining in the division 1 (Sidwell).
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Alex, well back in 99/00 and 00/01 I thought we did have the best squad in the country. I was stunned when we lost the semi to ManU, particularly because they didn't start their strongest side (and I think that has influenced my thinking every since - I was complacent, I think the team was and ManU tore into us). Yes, I thought the young players might have been good enough. I doesn't look like any of them were. However, Wenger never, ever gave them opportunties. This attitude is still there today, and it's why the same 11 will trot out game in, game out. I'd actually like to see a young player fail (we certainly see it happen often enough with senior players), because it would suggest we're taking constructive risks. I think you should be judged on your last game, and therfore I'd give VP another start. He's coming on quite nicely, judging by the Blackburn and reserve games I've seen recently. Bergkamp has had a couple of bursts of good form, but he's also had some horrible games. I don't doubt he'll start against Chelsea, but VP should start Saturday. Lauren has made so many mistakes this season he doesn't merit a place in the side. Quincy has looked better than ok (Everton couldn't handle him, and that alone should have got him another start) - if you were a rb you wouldn't want him to play. I don't expect Aliadiere will start, but I'd like to see it as he seems to be a complete modern centre-forward to me.
Bernard
April 12, 2005
Alex, do you have a link for Ferguson's comments as I've not noticed anything? Or if not, can you summarise what he said? DaveM, I think Clichy looks more of a midfield player than Cole to be honest, though they've both had good games there. Also, I saw a comment by Cole that although he's done it in a few recent games, he does not want to play in midfield consistently. I'm not aware of Clichy saying something similar. If we are to have any chance of keeping him (Cole) and we want them both (Cole and Clichy) in the team, Clichy in midfield looks the more sensible option to me.
Cannon Balls
April 12, 2005
On a no-news day that is dragging it's weary way on the drunken jock can always be guaranteed to provide a little light relief. Arsenal he stutters are responsible for the FA Cup semi-finals being played in Cardiff!. This somewhat weak and contrived attempt at causing a controversy is obviously aimed at deflecting attention away from his own inept management at OT, shown up by recent results. Vieria came out last week in his role of Arsenal Captain to complain about the ties being held in Cardiff in an interview with the media.One of his points being that it takes some of the gloss off of the final with these other ties being played in the stadium which will host the final.So once again an anti-Arsenal diatribe from Ferguson with no basis in reality. Still if they do nothing else let's hope that they add more incentive to our desire to finish in front of him in the league and take the cup off of him also.
Alex
April 12, 2005
Mee, I quite agree!
Alex
April 12, 2005
Dissapointing yes, failure no. Good F.A Cup run, gaurenteed CL spot, good PL total, Charity Sheild, not so bad. Europe has hurt again, not sure what is wrong there. But overall, because of our situation stated before, this has been a good season. It took Fergy 13 years to crack Europe. Barcelona have only won the Euro Cup once. Arsenal still don't have what it takes. But taking crazy gambles with the team, and leaving the club in a mess will only see that dream move further away.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
Finally DaveM - while we are getting all nostalgic and you are giving yourself plaudits for your earlier comments you are far too modest to mention your best so I'll do it for you. Talking about Wenger's caution and the lack of opportunities for youth you said certain teams were "passing us". Liverpool, Leeds and Chelsea were the sides. Now, if I were being very generous, I might give you Chelsea but then I doubt even you'd say you saw the coming of Abramovich and without him they would probably be heading the way of Leeds. And even with him, its hardly by the investment in youth that they have hit the top is it? So I think its fair to say that despite his caution, Wenger has more than proved you wrong over those 6 years!
Mee
April 12, 2005
JamesLT: I love the assumption that players like Totti and Ronaldinho would be falling over themselves to play for us. Who are they currently playing for Bolton and Palace?
Alex
April 12, 2005
Hope no one stayed up for Nantes vs Lyon- Toulanlan didn't even play.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
You said the problem for Aliadiere was he hadn't played enough football before last year's semi and here we are in exactly the same situation. It would be foolish. Cesc, Clichy, Senderos, Van Persie, Flamini, Eboue and Quicny have had significantly more opportunity than they would normally have had and apart from the first three they haven't done enough yet. That is not to criticise them, just to say they are not ready for such a big game. To put out the team you suggest against a side as well organised as Blackburn would be mental.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Alex, it's nice he talks to me so. I agree it is one of his great stengths, the way he shows confidence. I also think it's his greatest weakness, He gets too close to certain players and let's them get away with too many poor performances. How many games do you give someone who's playing poorly to get back into form? Every game whilst they're trying to get back to form hurts the rest of the team. Again I think Wenger gets the balance wrong - this season has been a failure. I used to want Clichy at lm, but it never really worked. Cole seems to be much better at it, and I think Clichy is pretty much as good as Cole as a lb.
Alex
April 12, 2005
99/00 & 00/01- we did not have the best squad in the PL. Certainly not good enough for the CL. I'm not sure how you can be so critical of Wenger. Who do you think is a better manager?
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
DaveM - Its not quite true that Wenger's caution sums up your concerns over the last 6 years. You missed the second and crucial part of the equation in that you always maintained that the young players were good enough to come in and were being unfairly denied an opportunity. You are still doing it now though at least this crop are somewhat better than Hughes, Crowe, Barratt and the other players you were lauding for a first team spot. Van P has been very ordinary and in no way deserves to play ahead of Bergkamp who, yes is fading, but who is also in the odd game putting together some great performances. He was our best player against United and other games around that time. Van P isn't up to the team play yet. Eboue has not played enough football to merit a place in such a key game. Same has to be said for Quincy who has looked OK but that is all so far. Aliadiere has to be a joke. There is an argument for putting him on the bench but starting him is crazy.
Alex
April 12, 2005
Fergy stirring up trouble again, as soon as he's in some trouble. Are Man U fans so stupid that they don't see through his diversion tactics. 'Don't worry about us being shit, lets have a go at Arsenal instead.' W"&*^R!!!!
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Dormouse, I wouldn't play all our youngsters in the CL. However, I'd like to see 2 or 3 in as a matter of routine because I think their energy levels and attitude will raise the games of the rest of the side. JamesLT, you're quite right there isn't a plan B. Unfortunately Wenger has been quite dismissive of the idea there should be one. This is another reason why I'm worried obout next season. Nevermind the results, I think good performances in Europe under Wenger have been too rare. We really haven't got that close, and I don't see why this would change. Alex, I am suggesting a change in tactics because I don't think the current approach is working. Since 1998/9 I've believed every season we've had the best group of players, and given that I think we've underachieved. Therefore I'd like to see a new approach tried. I don't follow Italian football though, so wherever I got the idea it wasn't there. Juliano, yes I expect I did say that. It would have been wrong, but it's always been the principle that's concerned me. Bergkamp has had some serious dips in form over the years, and I think out of form players shouldn't be playing and form players should. Now we have a group of young players who are much more gifted, and I think while they are playing well they should be in the side. This is tied to my belief that young players have an intrinsic value because they have something to prove, and therefore, all other things being equal you should try to have some in the side. The trick is getting the balance right. If everyone is fit Wenger gets the balance wrong.
Alex
April 12, 2005
Players out of form do not get back into form without playing games, and the manager showing he has confidence in them. This is one Wengers greatest strengths. When Wenger says that we need not to panic, because panic decisions are bad decisions, I think he was personally speaking to you DaveM. Cole at left MF? One of the best LBs in the world? I agree Clichy and Cole mix it up well together, but I always thought they were better with Clichy in MF. Why has Wenger swaped them around on the last few occasions?
Bernard
April 12, 2005
EEG, but aren't you judging him on those same games, or is it just that because he is technically decent and strong, you automatically think that adds up to him being a right back? I certainly don't remember anything special in the Wolves at home match last season either. As I say, I do remember the Blackburn home and Bolton away matches, and very little else that suggests he could be a right back, including one game this season which he started at right back and looked poor, then he moved to the centre when one of the central defenders got injured and improved radically.
Juliano
April 12, 2005
Playing youngsters has always been DaveM's obsession though, hasn't it? I mean you were arguing that Bergkamp should have made way for Barrett a couple of years ago (yes I know I always come up with that btw)
DaveM
April 12, 2005
East End, I'm glad you agree with me that Wenger is over-cautious bringing players through and dropping players who play badly. That sentence sums up the gist of my posts over the last 6 years. I disagree though that other youngsters haven't done enough with the 'ample' opportunities they've been given. Aliadiere hasn't started a game this season. Obviously this is because he's been injured. He was awful in last years semi, but who wasn't? The two starts I can remember him having last year were Liverpool away, where he rans his socks off for 60 minutes whilst our midfield, featuring Gilberto and Ljungberg I think, got blown away and the semi against a desperate ManU. We need to find out if he's good enough, and those two games were not good ways to judge. He's just come off the back of a very good performance for the reserves, let's find out. VP's form is improving and he won the last game he started for us, which was against Blackburn. He's certainly worth a start over a fading Bergkamp and an under-achieving Reyes. Quincy has started one PL game, and did fine. He's played well against Man City, destroyed Everton's defence (and they are still fourth) and had a excellent game against Sheffield United. I'd love to see him given some of the opportunities Reyes has had. Eboue hasn't had much opportunity yet, but he's done ok in the FA Cup so far, and I really don't think he'll do any worse than Lauren. Picking a side like the once I've suggested would also shake up the first team. There's too much certainty, too much complacency amongst a group of player who know they are guarenteed their places. You're right we might annoy Blackburn, but they'll be 100% up for it anyway and I have faith in the talent and attitude of the players I've listed. The biggest failure I can remember under Wenger was last season against Chelsea, and that occurred without messing around with the team. I do agree with you about Pires though, I think we often play well with him wide right.
Alex
April 12, 2005
I wonder if are inability to do anything productive with set plays is the reason we can't defend them. Are defenders must never get proper practise in training. Cesc is also NOT a right MF player. He can do a job, but that is it. I'm sure Toure can do a job at RB too, but we need more than that. The suggestion smacks of lack of patience with his jittery performances this year, but feel too guilty to suggest getting rid of him, because you spent all of last year singing his praises. This is not wise team selection. Dave M- you're suggesting a radical change in tactics. More functional wide players, with more creative central players. The opposite in fact to the current situation. This would require a completely new MF, the problems of which I have already stated. I think it's a system that pretty popular in Italy, is this where your inspiration came from?
Alex
April 12, 2005
To play the sort of football that Wenger likes, and to have the consistency that Arsenal have undoubtably had in the last 8 years, you have to have a stable squad, and know exactly what your 1st 11 is. Splashing out vast sums on 'star' players, gambling on numerous youngsters at the same time, and constantly changing tactics would be a massive risk, and possibly suicidal. Arsenal are not yet a European 'super-power', and are at a sensative time financially. Stability is extremely important right now. If you get rid of Viera, Ljungberg, Bergkamp, Pires etc. you rip the heart out of the team. As Benitez said, ''sometimes you only need to change one ot two things to make the difference'' (or something like that). We were unbeaten last year you know!
DaveM
April 12, 2005
I don't think we can assume Campbell will be injured for much of next season. If we really believe that then why did we offer him a big money contract? He's probably just had a bad season with injuries. Toure should be good going forward, he's started a fair few games for us wide left and right (Wenger put him in in front of Pennant, and the writing was on the wall). Alex, I think one holding central midfielder is enough. If you play Gilberto and Vieira and the opposition sit on Bergkamp then we're going to struggle to create as was demonstrated Saturday. The other 3 midfielders just need to show tactical discipline and not all get caught up field with the full-backs. I think this is a strong argument for Cole playing left midfield next season and having a proper, pacey attacking wide right player. Cesc is intelligent enough to take up the right positions defensively when necessary. Charles III, most sides just have their strikers who are dependant on the rest of the side to help them play well, we also have one of our midfielders. Good sides will overwhelm the rest of midfield. Our midfielders need to be able to seize the game, and I don't think Ljungberg or Gilberto (or Pires anymore, and even Vieira doesn't do it as often as he used to) can. Gilberto isn't our Makakele. They both have excellent positional sense and can set the tempo from deep, but Claude can tackle too.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
Also, one of the problems this season is that we have been rarely able to pick the side that went unbeaten last season. To be able to play a similar side in Cardiff would be a boost. Conservative though it may be, I would go for Lehman, Toure (unless Campbell is not fully fit), Campbell, Senderos, Cole, Pires, Vieira, Gilberto, Reyes, Bergkamp and Henry with Lauren, Cesc, Edu, Ljungberg and Van Persie on the bench. Reyes form has been improving and I reckon the space in Cardiff will suit him. Many of our best performances (including the Villa one that was the best of my time) have come with Pires on the right. Blackburn will strong arm us and apart from Reyes this side can resist it.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
DaveM - Sorry but your team is silly. I do agree with you that Wenger is over-cautious in bringing players through and in dropping players who lose form but the truth is that apart from Cesc, Senderos and Clichy, who is unavailable, none of the youngsters have this season done enough with the ample opportunities available to them through injury etc to merit taking such a risk in the semi. For a start you will get the Norwich effect for Blackburn of at once lifting them because they are playing a perceived weaker side and annoying them through your perceived arrogance. Second, you'd hope we learned the lesson of last year in pissing around with the team (Aliadiere is in yours as a jokey reference to last season's debacle I take it?) for a semi.
East End Gooner
April 12, 2005
At home to Wolves he was excellent as well - especially going forwards. I reckon he does look like a full-back. He is comfortable at bringing the ball forward. It is silly to try and judge him in a few games pushed out wide this season when he has played in the centre in all other games.
JamesLT
Plan B / Superstar Signing
April 12, 2005
DAVE M: I agree with a lot of your concerns. I don't agree with the pundits that say our style would never be successful in Europe though. After all, we've had some amazing results in the last five years against Bayer Leverkusen, PSV, Roma, Juventus and Inter, for example. I think the problem is just that there is no PLAN B. What you can say about our current style is that it is fragile. Everything has to be in place for it work 100%. If players are off form, carrying injuries, tired or the opposition are on form and have a great spoiling strategy then we have problems at the highest level - although not always in the Premier League. We need to vary our approach more, something Wenger seems too stubborn to accept. Sometimes we need to fight out a result or rely on set-pieces. We're not just suspect at defending set-pieces, we're also pretty useless with our own attacking set-pieces. It would be great to have a player that can take perfect corners and free-kicks... ... ... ... ... ... ... I also think the idea of a SUPERSTAR SIGNING isn't as ridiculous as it sounds. Yes, Wenger is usually very careful with the club's money, but Arsenal have a long tradition of major signings - usually as a reassurance to fans and a restatement of our ambition. You can look back at Bergkamp, Platt, Macdonald and Ball as examples of this... I think after Chelsea's big season and the sight of Ashburton Grove on the horizon a huge signing would help energise the club and create a mood of optimism. It would certainly help sell seats and boxes for the new stadium... Having said all that, I suspect that Wenger and Dein's inclination would more likely be to try and get a "cheap" superstar signing. A Beckham instead of a Gerrard, a Del Piero instead of a Totti, or an Aimar instead of a Ronaldinho.
Bernard
April 12, 2005
DaveM, I remember top performances at home to Blackburn and away to Bolton last season from right back. I certainly remember nothing like six or eight. I also don't remember any from the 2002/3 at full back, nor any this season. I have never been convinced he's a full back, and it'll take rather more than two very good displays there (which is all I can remember) to convince me otherwise.
Dormouse
April 12, 2005
DaveM - I can't agree that the solution to winning the CL is playing all our youngsters. We didn't play particularly well this year, but were only killed by a very poor defensive performance at Munich. We need a few signings who can give us a lift at that level. I agree that we haven't seemed to have the spirit this year & that it seemed to be gradually running out even before OT, but I don't think that playing all the youngsters at once is the answer.
Dormouse
April 12, 2005
Hedges - we most particularly don't have cover for Henry or Gilberto & need replacements for DB (even if he stays) & the GK. We have been very lucky with Henry's fitness & freedom from injuries, & I'd hate to have to go on a long run of games without him. We may lack depth across the team, but we cannot even attempt to do a Chelski & have 2 top players for every position. The youngsters have done very well & I wouldn't have any problem with Senderos, Fabregas, Clichy & Flamini playing regularly (though I'd want at least one experienced MF player in the team most of the time). Talking of possible signings, BWP seems to me more promising than SWP was at the same stage.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
Bernard, I think it was last season Toure had a run at right-back (something like 6 or 8 games?) and on the back of this he made it into a few journalists team of the season at rb. I think I'm right in saying he made it into Amy Laurence's team (Arsenal supporting Observer journalist). Certainly I thought he was an excellent rb, although admittedly his performances there this season haven't been great.
DaveM
April 12, 2005
I'm increasingly worried about next season. Pires has been given an extra year (although apparently he didn't know it!). We've already signed up Lauren, we're going to offer Gilberto a new contract and there are neasty rumours we're going to offer Ljungberg one. Let's be blunt, this season has been a failure. Also, in recent years we've got nowhere near winning the CL. Yet Wenger seems determined to retain the players who've let us down this and in previous seasons. He's quite right that defence has been a major problem, and Senderos seems to have been a large part of the solution here. However, there's more wrong with us than that. I know some pundits think our style can never be successful in Europe (too intricate, too many chances for moves to break down), and then we all have criticisms of different players. However, I think a major part of the problem is that too many of our senior players have learnt how to lose. When we play certain types of teams and things start to go wrong I think several of our players let their heads go down, and think something like "This always happens, we're going to lose again". I'd say this applies to players like Pires, Bergkamp, Ljungberg and even to players like Vieira and Henry. Reyes looks mentally weak to me too. We need a shake-up of personnel, to improve the mental strength of the team. I can't see a side with the players I've listed being successful in Europe, but Wenger seems to want to retain them all (and, when he's retained them, to play them all). I'm afraid that next season we'll witness more of the type of performance that was labled 'gutless' by someone here yesterday. Our young players haven't learnt to lose. Players like Senderos and Cesc won't quit. We don't need experience against Blackburn, we need hungry, fearless players. Wenger says we'll beat Blackburn by out passing them and by running in behind. He should play: Lehmann, Eboue, Senderos, Campbell, Cole, Cesc, Vieira, Edu (who I believe is fit, and who unusually actually took Gilberto's place on merit last season), Quincy, Van Persie, Aliadiere (let's see whether he's good enough or not). Henry would of course improve this side, but otherwise I think it's about as strong as we can put out. The young players make the older player raise their games. I'm not looking forward to Wenger having a full squad to pick from, because I think he always picks the same players when given a choice.
Dormouse
April 11, 2005
Originally there was the first year syndrome where overseas players took a season to get used to the premiership; possibly also some signings to take time fitting in with the team. Now there is the second year syndrome where players deteriorate. If we can identify a third year syndrome, we might call this the Jeffers progression. There is some truth to the 1st & 2nd year syndromes, but it depends on the player & the position. The second year syndrome applies particularly to wingers & strikers whose tricks are found out, and to some extent to defenders & MF players once their weaknesses are identified & exploited. They then have to develop new tricks & work on their weaknesses - Ronaldo is a good example. I agree with CB in that I don't think that it applies to Toure who always needed the protection given by Campbell & Gilberto, though he wasn't helped by being a particularly bad fit with Cygan. Toure has his strengths but he is definitely not the rock a defence can be based on & he is inclined to panic if the rock is not there.
TRANSFER FUNDS
April 11, 2005
Does anyone really believe wenger will get 40m sovs to spend in the summer ???
Rich
April 11, 2005
Matthew Wade, that is my point exactly - all the players you named were English, and all given the "next whoever" treatment by the press. I don't begrudge the lad his dream day, just saying that the press are completely over the top with any young English talent when there are young foreigners 10 times better. (many at Arsenal!)
Bernard
April 11, 2005
See with David Barnes we're still getting people wanting Toure to be played at right back. Me and others have said many times, why? I fully agree with Alex, he just doesn't look like a decent right back to me and I'm really struggling to think of that many games where he's played well in the position.
Rich
April 11, 2005
I think that Wenger should bring in a new CB in the summer, Cygan seems 4th choice now so wudn't be surprised to see him leave. Whoever we bring in I doubt any of them will be a 'superstar' its simply not AW's style. It may be that Toure becomes much more of our utility player, which is unfortunate for him. He's one player that is easy to like, and lets not forget that he is still young and can improve at CB. He seems a popular bloke at the club and willing to learn, I just think that with another CB in the summer he could become cover for all the defence and CM....still not bad cover to have! Edu and Pennant seem certain to leave, not sure if we need a 5th CM, wenger was talking about getting one if Edu left in Jan but don't know if that was just beacuse of Gilberto's injury? If they were the only exits then 3 signings would suffice for me. A GK is the priority, CB and Right mid or Striker....maybe make that 4 signings if im greedy then. With Pennant off Right-Mid is lacking, we have Bentley back next seaon but i fear he may go the way of Pennant, and a would like a striker to give us options in tight games. I know players I'd like to see at THOF but realsitic targets are less clear. Owen? I can see, with a main striker who plays with his back to goal or on the shoulder of the defence TH14 may well move into more of the DB10 role as the 2nd striker. I quite like the idea of Owen, but only if the price is right.
Matthew Wade
April 11, 2005
Jesus there's some miserable so and so's on here......With the young everton lad, of course is being blown out of proportion, but it is the story of the week, even more so than norwich, because he has set a new record for the Premier League (note not top flight), and the youngest ever for his club, on his debut, having only ben on a few minutes. As the phrase goes it is roy of the rovers stuff, and good luck to him. As for Cademanteri, his problem is that he never got better than when he was 17....but he did look very promising. After all, when bentley scored agains sunderland, everyone was saying he was the new bergkamp, and I remember even David Hillier getting 'bigged up' and i always thought he was piss-poor.....
should arsenal
April 11, 2005
Bring back upson if possible ?
Cannon Balls
April 11, 2005
Mee,on what evidence do you base your second season's syndrome on???. Or does it just exist in your imagination, because i have no knowledge of it. Toures poor season is in the main due to Cambells form, with him never having been fit, Toure was finding himself more exposed with Gilberto also absent and when called on to hold the defense together was not up to doing it.The intoduction of a real CB ,Senderos showed this and that display away in Munich by Toure was the worst that i have ever seen from an Arsenal CB since the 6-1 defeat at OT. The truth is that Kolo was never a good header of the ball in his first season, Cambell and Gilberto covered that aspect in the 49 unbeaten run, and also Toures positional sense was not good then and is not now that great either.He is very athletic a goood tackler and gives his all. But your portrayal of him having been a good CB in his first season and now suffering a blip is flawed.
Hedges
April 11, 2005
Mee - totally agree on RvP. Im not impressed by him yet..
Mee
April 11, 2005
Hedges: I don’t think the second year syndrome will apply to Cesc - he has too much quality, or Flamini, who has the type of game which is more easily reproduced than a more intuitive ‘touch’ player. RVP has a lot to prove and his second year syndrome seems to have happened in his first year!
Hedges
April 11, 2005
I read that Wenger will buy 3 players this Summer, 1 huge star and 2 other signings. I fear that this will be the case, and knowing Wenger he wont buy big but i feel we really need more than 3 players. This year showed we lacked depth, and yes if everyone stays fit we only need 1 or 2 more but injuries happen and we seriously lack the depth than Chavs and mancs have. I love the young boys coming through but they cant do it all the time, and if Fabregas/Flamini/RvP go through the second year syndrome that Toure did, and if we only buy 3 players then we r screwed if that happens.
Alan Hedges
April 11, 2005
Click End Clive / Mee - Whilst I do believe King is a very good centre back I didn't mean him to be the only example of the centre back we need. Just thought he was a good eg of whether we need a young established CB or we should get an experienced one to interchange with Senderos. Also, Sol is getting on in age I feel so maybe in 2 years time we'll need another CB to play for him.
Mee
April 11, 2005
Rich: The MOTD hype given to Vaughan’s goal was indicative of their need to create haeadlines where none exist. The facts show he was the PL youngest ever scorer but there simply wasn’t enough evidence to base any sort of judgement about his current standing or future development. Everton seem to make a habit of this, probably because of a dearth of talent at the club - wasn’t Danny Cadamartri (spelling) lauded as the new Michael Owen? I think Danny now plays in the lower leagues.
Rich
April 11, 2005
Anyone notice the madia drooling over the Everton lad who scored on his debut and became the Prem's youngest goalscorer with it? Vaughen I think his name is. Already saying the next Rooney and the two of them could play for England together, makes you wonder what the English media would say about Fabregas if he were English too? Afterall he's only a year older than this lad, made his debut in the Champions team at 16 and has many fans calling for him to be first choice in Central Midfield, a posisiton I always manitain is the hardest for a young player to bresk in to. Would love to see Fabregas get the Young Player of the Year award, but it is quite nice that he doesn't have so much hype around him (as other young english lads do)
Alex
April 11, 2005
Toure is NOT a RB. He is not a threat going forward, he can't cross, and his technique is not good enough. Eboue much better suited, could almost be a right winger. Toure looks out of sorts at RB because he can't play there, not because he does not want to. He has CB written all over him, he's just having a 'difficult second season'(he's also missing Keown I suspect). If he is just as jittery next season I'll join the 'we need another CB' campaign, but until then, leave him alone.
Mee
April 11, 2005
Dormouse: I would love to see Totti at Highbury, but think its unrealistic, he will probably move within Italy. Looking at the Totti link someone posted yesterday, gives an indication of his class. With that sort of talent I’d put up with the occasional red card.
Dormouse
April 11, 2005
Mee - I basically agree that Totti is unlikely to leave Rome & Italy, but things are definitely not happy there at the moment & he may well leave if they don't sort out a manager & other players to his satisfaction. We could also do with another top striker.
Cannon Balls
April 11, 2005
For me the partner for Henry up front is the main con cern for next season - Denis should retire at the end of this one, is non-flying phobia always a cause of irratation to Wenger because of the problems it causes in our CL ties away, and one though not all of the reasons for our under-achievment in the competition. Taking account of that plus his age Wenger needs to be firm with Denis and say non to any offer from him to continue next season. He is a legend and not just at Highbury i would hate to see him spoil his image by hanging about past his sell by date. The last CL match at home against BM showed that the writing was on the wall in that regard.And I am not happy with Reyes who despite the spin that Wenger eloquently put's on it really wants to return to Spain to play for Real Madrid, the only snag being that they don't want him, perhaps they know something that we don't?. Can RVP be the partner for Henry?, well unless he get's a run of games we will never find out. Reyes looks no more likely to fill that role than when he first arrived at Highbury. Owen was at it again scoring for RM last night and it looks like he will be coming back to England but the swap for Reyes rumour is just paella in the sky - Liverpool or Manure are more likely destinations for Mikey with that pair slugging it out for him. Ferguson will be desperate, if still at Manure next season, to get a top striker in with RVN looking well knackered and on his way out of OT. Like the Queen said to Camilla the new Duchess of Farts after she had tied the knot with Chas: "Welcome to the unsaddling encloser".
Mee
April 11, 2005
The specualtion concerning Totti is irrelevant. He is revered in Rome, if not as god then certainly up there with the pope. He was born in Rome, has family there, his children go to school in Rome, he loves the lifestyle, the weather and his fellow romans. Is he really likely to swap that for Broxbourne?
goonerguru
April 11, 2005
Thanks Dormouse,now I think about it you must be right,that makes much more sense.
Dormouse
April 11, 2005
goonerguru - I don't think that a losing semi-finalist will go into Europe. It will be an extra place for the PL.
goonerguru
April 11, 2005
If we and MU get through to the FA cup final next week,or should I say when,would that mean one of the losing semi finalists going into the UEFA Cup next season,I've known losing finalists playing in Europe before but can't recall losing semi finalists being in.
Dormouse
April 11, 2005
Totti this season - 30 appearances for Roma, 14 goals, 12 yellow cards, 1 red card. Ferguson - 4 appearances for Everton (+6 as sub), 6 goals, 2 yellows, 1 red. Shearer - 33 appearances (+1 sub), 19 goals, 1 yellow, 0 reds. Yakubu - 29 appearances (+ 3 subs), 15 goals, 2 yellows, 0 reds. Henry - 41 appearances, 30 goals, 3 yellows, 0 reds; RvP - 13 appearances (+20 subs) - 6 goals, 4 yellows & 1 red. &, just for Bernard, Freddie - 33 appearances (+2 sub), 14 goals, 3 yellows, 0 reds. I wouldn't argue with Totti's ability but don't think it's enough to justify the number of cards he's likely to get (though maybe he'd get away with more in the PL).
Cannon Balls
April 11, 2005
It seems that the long-ball merchants taunts are striking a raw neve with the Chavs. Ex-show-pony Joe Cole is fuming about them, according to him the fact that they punt long balls up to Drogba is just because Drogba is there, so says Joe: "why not use him" ?.It worked against the Germans because we scored four goals Joe goes on, although he fails to mention that his own one came courtesy of a fluke deflection, one of many that he's scored this season.This prognastication of JC's that the long-ball game is not intentional is surpising to learn for anyone who has watched Chelsea this season and they were at it again against Birmingham wholet's face it are hardly one of Europes top sides. Drogba is not hanging about up front for the fun of it, and to suggest that there is no tactical plan from Mourinho to hoof long balls up-field towards him is like John Terry would say: "Taking the p**s!".
DAVID BARNES
April 11, 2005
Gk????HARD ONE, Toure convert him to rightback he can play rightback he just doesnt want to!CONVERT HIM, Campbell is one of the best defenders in the world needs to stay injury free, Sendoros if he continues in this form will be outstanding for Arsenal, Cole will he be at Arsenal next season? DOUBT IT, Cesc convert him to a right winger now!, Pat V have we seen the best of him???? I DON'T THINK SO , Gilberto our Makakele!!, Reyes? If he stays(PLEASE GOD!) and finds his form again he will be the best in that position in the world SIMPLE AS THAT, Totti? don't know him that well was really good a few seasons ago but has a worst temper than Van Persie, Henry?? one of the top 20 footballers in the world EVER IMO.
Dormouse
April 11, 2005
DaveM - If Djourou is really as good as you think, then I would agree that we don't need to buy another CB unless AW thinks that Campbell will miss as many games as this season. I don't agree with Alan Hedges idea that a top older player should be bought because they'd be happy to be on the bench sometimes. At that stage of their careers players tend not to be on the bench unless they are getting injured or realise that they aren't as good as they used to be. And they don't feel that they have anything to lose by insisting on what they want.
Dormouse
April 11, 2005
I never really bought the idea that Chelski will manipulate things by buying players and loaning them out. But, I did notice that the points dropped by Chelski & Manure on Saturday were courtesy of deadball passes from Arsenal players on loan. Now, how many goals have we got like that this season ...?
Juliano
April 11, 2005
We shouldn't look at Chelsea. This is true that there is still a small possibility that they may collapse big time, but it is really remote and the team needs focusing on securing that second spot. We're only 3 points ahead of Man Utd, and we can't afford to drop any more points, so we have to go at Stamford Bridge to win, not because it may burst the rentboys' bubble, but because we've got MU on our heels. That would be nice to put a couple past them, just to prove we're still defending champions. Having said that, if they are to break down then it would be better for us for them to qualify past Bayern Munich, and to be beaten by AC Milan afterwards of course, with lots of nerve wrenching games. Ideally, a 4-2 Bayern win ending on pens, and two stamina consuming foughts against Milan! Our team shouldn't focus on them, but as long as it's not over, let's keep playing, and we've got a reason to keep on playing, namely MU.
Mee
April 11, 2005
Clock End/Alan Hedges: There is an asumption that King would willingly leave Spurs if we should nod at him. Do we know this to be true - I think King is commited to Spurs, and an EUFA place for them now looks probable.
clock end clive
April 11, 2005
Alan Hedges - like your idea of an experienced defender but how do you reach the conclusion that King is a great defender? Great in my book is Adams, Bould, Nesta, Maldini, Desailly - in my view King is no better than Senderos and seriously overrated at this stage of his career.
Alex
April 11, 2005
DaveM- Because we have four so attacking players, you can't also have another attacking midfielder, especially when the full backs are always racing forward. The 2 CB and 2 CM have to stabilize the team. Viera is still a creative player, though his passing has not been good, against Bayern in was terrible. Bernard- Quincy is mainly used on the left, but with Reyes staying the only real opening is on the right, and he could do a fine job in any attacking position. On his PL debut, much of his best work was on the right (playing a perfectly weighted ball for Lauren to cut back to Henry-Goal!. Decaf- We don't expect them to lie back and admire, we expect them to learn how to play better football, instead of try and kick and thump their way out of trouble, which doesn't work very often anyway! Everton are an exception because of the situation they were in, which is why many are rooting for them. Their play is also not that bad to watch, and with the exception of Big Dunc, they are not thugs like Bolton. Agree that Barcelona's defending was (and always is?) poor, but with more teams in La Liga trying to play on the ground more, there is also more competition.
Alan Hedges
April 11, 2005
I can't help but agree with a blog site I saw that the best way to buy for defence this summer for central defense would be to buy an experienced player over 30 such as Kuffour or Southgate so that Senderos isn't pushed too far behind the pecking order as someone 30+ would be willing to sit on the bench sometimes and then when they go Senderos would be ready to fulfil his role. What do you all think or would a great player like King be more beneficial?
Decaf
April 11, 2005
PS Chocolate 'the Kant' Gooner, please can you explain to me where practical reason fits into everything? If you think that Kant saw antitheses only as an "infallible sign of metaphysical illusion" how do you explain this passage (from the same section that Copper kindly referred you to last week and which I have taken the trouble to peruse)?: "As to the second (dynamical) class of antimonies, the falsehood of the presupposition consists in representing as contradictory what is compatible; so that while in the former case the opposed assertions were both false, in this case, on the other hand, where they are opposed to one another by mere misunderstanding, they may both be so". However, if google or chocolate gooner or Bayern L*Te say otherwise naturally I will concede that my source is well and truly trumped.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 11, 2005
'The referees decissions always go for the bigger sides'. Delia Smith interviewed on MotD. Now she may be a bit of a joke (especially as she used to claim to be an Ipswich fan...) but she is a club chairman. Since rules are rules and we know how the FA sitck to them I'll expect her to receive a charge of bringing the game into disripute.
Decaf
April 11, 2005
We must hope, Exiled. The prospect of those disgraceful cheats and wellington boot specialists doing the double is just too sickening. *** Unfortunately, we have only ourselves to blame for the proliferation of 4-5-1 in the EPL this season. Were other team supposed to just sit back admiringly and watch us making them look silly and winning the title by 20 points? On that note, I can't understand American Gooner's admiration for Everton. At least Liverpool's long ball game is based on Gerrard hitting great passes. They do play a game that passes for football.
Exiled In Newcastle
April 11, 2005
If Bayern beat the chavs the title could be up for grabs. Let's be honest, we've beaten them often enough before and if we do then they'll need 8 points from 5 games. Two London derbies at home (Charlton and Fulham - but derbies can be funny old things) and away trips to Bolton, Mancs and (their banker) St James'. Maybe it's all those years thinking Neill might bring us a title (I was younger) but I refuse to believe it's over til it is, actually, over. Blind optimism, maybe (and I do realise we can't afford to drop any, but we are The Arsenal so anything is possible), but while it's still available we've got to go for it.
Decaf
April 11, 2005
E*G yes, Fred! Just look at Italy, were teams are always blowing 9 point leads. Why shouldn't Chelsea blow an 8 point lead? I have a feeling that they are going to blow their CL semi. We should get Totti and win the CL next season too. Imagine Totti and Henry in the same team.
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